2023 US Classic Session 2 (Senior Women disussion)

[YurchenkoLoop]

Here is Wong’s 2.5 punch attempts from last year:

Classics:



Worlds PT:



at 2021 Worlds EF:



I’m looking for other 2.5 + 1.0 attempts on floor from last year/Worlds PT but I can’t find any. Regardless, it looks like it was an inconsistent combo for her last year

 

[irichluck21]

Roberson’s beam is still a mystery to me. ff that’s an 8.0 E score. How in the hell did Suni only get .3 higher for execution?
Roberson at 8.0 should mean Suni is going above 9.0 in E score.

Can’t tell me there is only .3 difference between the two sets.

 

[rlayt]

Execution scores are obviously not separating adequate from good from great.

I thought there would be a reset at some point. IIRC Winter Cup did separate them more.

 

[RedBirdie]

it was mildly amusing to listen to John Rothelisberger complain about inadequate execution separation during the first session.

 

[CameliasFingerpaint]

Aimee Boorman was judging beam. I’m sure she is not allowed to comment, but god I would love to hear her perspective.

 

[JaJa]

Simone was on my radar at 2012 Nationals and I remember thinking she would be on major teams as at least a VT/FX specialist, but I thought that if she got her game together she would be the top AA junior

She was on my radar back then too. I thought if she could just get her nerves and her power under control she would be something we had not seen before in the sport.

 

[irichluck21]

All the talk about Roberson, but honestly I am more impressed with Kaliya Lincoln.
She’s flown in under radar and she could seriously be in contention for Paris with one more year. Floor is right up there and tied Roberson for 2nd. Her DTY, while a bit scrappy has plenty of power and potentially Amanarable.

 

[CameliasFingerpaint]

I was super impressed by her as a junior last quad, I’m glad she’s finally healthy!

Hopefully she has a second vault in the pipeline. I could see that being used as a tiebreaker between her, Carey, and Roberson unless she has a strong UB routine in her back pocket.

 

[RichardL]

She was the World AA champion the next year lol. She was on a lot of radars! But yes, her competition mindset was still untested.

 

[YurchenkoLoop]

Was she though? She got 14th at 2011 US Junior Championships and, despite a massive DTY, she was not added to the National Team. It’s my understanding most people learned of her from 2012 US Championships or afterwards, but perhaps a lot of folks were watching the Alamo and WOGA Classics

 

[MaryClare]

She was 3rd at junior nationals and was one of the top prospects going into the meet and had competed an Amanar since the beginning of the year. She was on everyone’s radar

 

[YurchenkoLoop]

I’m talking about before 2012 Nationals.

 

[MaryClare]

Yes. She was on everyone’s radar from early 2012. She was also 3rd at American classic that year. Prior to 2012, she was on no one’s radar. It’s a shame we lost the old board or we’d have the actual conversations we were having at the time.

 

[irichluck21]

I remember not being impressed at the 2013 American Cup in Worcester.

Biles had the difficulty and talent, but I didn’t think she had the mental capacity/confidence to become the gymnast she ended up becoming. I thought she might become another Atler or Uzelac.

There was definitely potential for her to be a headcase kind of gymnast, but she proved me wrong clearly.

 

[Puffin]

Was that where she fell off beam several times?

 

[irichluck21]

Was that where she fell off beam several times?

Yes. I think she also fell or put her hands down on floor as well.

 

[Passion]

I remember her name being bandied about a few times in 2012 but it was pretty much just this Biles kid is strong on vault, she’ll be the next big VT specialist next quad.

Not really that much time spent discussing juniors in general during Olympic years.

 

[Concorde]

Jade Carey, Balance Beam

Acro DV

D x 3 (aerial, side aerial, double tuck dismount), 1.2
C x 1( layout stepout), 0.3

Total Acro DV - 1.5

Dance DV

D x 2 (side split jump 1/2, switch leap 1/2), 0.8
C x 2 (side full twisting straight jump, switch leap), 0.6

Total Dance DV - 1.4

Total DV - 2.9

CV / SB

D + B mixed x 1 (aerial + split jump), 0.1

C + C or more dance x 1 (switch leap + switch leap 1/2), 0.1

B + B + C or more x 3 (aerial + split jump + Korbut, switch leap + switch leap 1/2 + straddle jump, back handspring stepout + back handspring to two feet + double tuck dismount), 0.3

Total CV and SB - 0.5

Dismount Bonus

double tuck (D), 0.2

CR

Connection of two or more dance elements, one with 180 degree split, switch leap + switch leap 1/2 + straddle jump
Turn, forward roll mount
Acrobatic series of at least two elements, one salto, back handspring stepout + layout stepout
Acrobatic elements in different directions, aerial, Korbut

Total CR - 2.0

Total D - 1.5 + 1.4 + 0.5 + 0.2 + 2.0 - 5.6 / 5.6 credited by D panel (D = 5.8 if she had hit the back handspring stepout + layout stepout + layout stepout series)

Possible Execution Deductions *(Denotes borderline / discretion in realtime / benefit of doubt due to angle, etc.)

aerial
(flexed feet), 0.1
(bent knee), 0.1

split jump
(flexed feet), 0.1

aerial + split jump + Korbut
(poor rhythm of connection), 0.1

layout stepout
(large balance error, movement of torso and lifted leg high off beam), 0.5

side full twisting straight jump
(body shape, torso not fully stretched / open), 0.1
(medium balance error, movement of torso and circle of arms), 0.3

side split jump 1/2
(body shape, insufficient split, between 21 and 45 degrees of split), 0.3
(small balance error, small movement of torso and arms, also moved quickly into choreography), 0.1

switch leap
(insufficient split, between 1 and 20 degrees), 0.1*

switch leap 1/2
(insufficient split, between 21 and 45 degrees), 0.3

switch leap + switch leap 1/2
(poor rhythm of connection), 0.1

straddle jump
(body posture, legs at horizontal), 0.1

side aerial
(flexed feet), 0.1

back handspring to two feet
(leg separation), 0.1

double tuck
(leg separation), 0.1
(flexed feet), 0.1
(body posture on landing, chest nearly horizontal and not upright), 0.1

Total Execution Deductions - 2.7 - 2.8

Artistry Deductions

Poor body posture (in particular how she can be slightly hunched over and have her head down before initiating an element), 0.1
Insufficient amplitude / maximum elongation of movements, 0.1* (Carey’s choreography has been designed to hide limitations in this area)
Insufficient variation in rhythm and tempo in movements, 0.1
Insufficient involvement of body parts (The choreography is not showing much intricacy or use of different body shapes and movements), 0.1

Total Artistry Deductions - 0.3 - 0.4

Total Deductions - 3.0 - 3.2 → 6.8 - 7.0 / 7.400 E panel

Total Score - 12.4 - 12.6 / 13.000 Actual

 

[arabiandoublefront]

The most I remembered juniors being hyped was 2001 and 2006.

 

[Concorde]

Sunisa Lee, Balance Beam

Acro DV

D x 2 (aerial, side aerial), 0.8
C x 2 (layout stepout, gainer tucked full from end of beam), 0.6

Total Acro DV - 1.4

Dance DV

E x 2 (Mitchell, switch ring leap), 1.0
D x 2 (switch leap 1/2, split ring jump), 0.8

Total Dance DV - 1.8

Total DV - 3.2

CV / SB

D + B mixed x 1 (aerial + split jump), 0.1

C + C or more dance x 1 (switch leap + switch leap 1/2), 0.1

D + D or more dance (switch leap 1/2 + split ring jump), 0.2

D + C acro (side aerial + layout stepout), 0.2

C + C acro (layout stepout + layout stepout), 0.1

B + B + C or more x 3 (aerial + split jump + back handspring stepout, switch leap + switch leap 1/2 + split ring jump, side aerial + layout stepout + layout stepout), 0.3

Total CV and SB - 1.0

Dismount Bonus

gainer tucked full from end of the beam (C), 0.0

CR

Connection of two or more dance elements, one with 180 degree split, switch leap + switch leap 1/2 + split ring jump
Turn, Mitchell
Acrobatic series of at least two elements, one salto, side aerial + layout stepout + layout stepout
Acrobatic elements in different directions, aerial, back handspring stepout

Total CR - 2.0

Total D - 1.4 + 1.8 + 1.0 + 0.0 + 2.0 - 6.2 / 6.2 credited by D panel)

Possible Execution Deductions *(Denotes borderline / discretion in realtime / benefit of doubt due to angle, etc.)

Mitchell
(adjustment, additional movement before starting the turn), 0.1
(body posture, arm position), 0.1

aerial + split jump
(poor rhythm of connection), 0.1

switch leap + switch leap 1/2 + split ring jump
(poor rhythm of connection), 0.1

split ring jump
(body shape, insufficient arch, ideally the head is extended farther back and over the back thigh), 0.1

adjustment, 0.1 (steps backward in preparation for the side aerial with minimal additional body movement)

switch ring leap
(body shape, insufficient arch, ideally the head is extended farther back and over the back thigh), 0.1
(large balance error, lifted leg off beam to horizontal and movement of torso), 0.5

adjustment, 0.1 (steps prior to dismount with minimal additional body movement)

tucked gainer full dismount
(insufficient height), 0.1
(hop on landing), 0.1

Total Execution Deductions - 1.5

Artistry Deductions

Insufficient variation in rhythm and tempo in movements, 0.1
Insufficient involvement of body parts (The choreography is not showing much intricacy or use of different body shapes and movements), 0.1

Total Artistry Deductions - 0.2

Total Deductions - 1.7 → 8.3 / 8.300 E panel

Total Score - 14.5 / 14.500 Actual