2023 US Classic Session 2 (Senior Women disussion)

[CameliasFingerpaint]

It was Jesolo 2013 where Simone really impressed for the first time. She had a wildly successful meet and stuck a few Amanda’s cold. What Aimee was able to do with her between 2013 and 2014 was truly impressive.

 

[Heavenspets]

As I understand it, NBC may not have the rights to play her floor music.

 

[Rich]

I just looked up the results. I was surprised I forgot Brenna dowel was 3rd in aa and ub

 

[YurchenkoLoop]

I thought the switch + switch 1/2 + ring jump looked a little slow in real time. I probably would give the benefit of the doubt and credit the whole series but the rhythm between both elements was slow

 

[jezmerallia]

Is she though? I seem to remember all of her gymnasts peaking at trials and kind of trending down during the major events. Dawes and Ray especially come to mind.

 

[RedBirdie]

If you mean 2000, everyone looked worse than at Trials thanks to Bela.

 

[RichardL]

Such a disappointing Olympics for that team! Based on Trials, they were contending for several medals. No one but Schwikert looked better in Sydney than at Trials.

 

[rlayt]

Kupets was injured by the Olympics so it’s hard to say she would have peaked then.

 

[ArnoldRimmer]

It wasn’t a great surprise that one of Kelli’s athletes peaked too early.

 

[irichluck21]

Marta was really the blame for peaking multiple athletes way too early.

Yes, they won World and Olympic medals and were dominate for so long but there were so many that were injured. Additionally, 2004 and somewhat 2008 Olympic golds were lost due to Marta overtraining them to the point of exhaustion/injury.

 

[Hatsumomo]

That 2008 team…the only two healthy members were Shawn Johnson who IIRC had to nurse a leg injury before it became a full stress fracture early 2008 and Nastia post-ankle injury.

 

[Yarotska]

Yeah, in 2004 and 2008 they had three full competitions before the Olympics. An absolutely ridiculous way to select a team. And the competitions themselves were hours. It’s not a 12 second race where 8 go at a time. They had to be up for so long and so often.

 

[irichluck21]

A fully healthy team in both those Olympics, the US should have come away with gold.

2008 can be debated. But, we know that He Kexin’s age was changed so she would be eligible for Beijing. Plenty of evidence out there to show that China changed her age. FIG only went by passport age and didn’t pursue investigation.

That’s how Dong Fangxiao got caught. Her passport/declared birth year at the 2008 Olympics was the FIG evidence.

 

[YurchenkoLoop]

A team without He Kexin might’ve had Pang Panpan on it, and I’d still think team China would be the frontrunner

 

[Big_rock_show]

I refused to put Simone on my radar in 2012. I thought Maroney was the queen of vaulting and nobody could ever dethrone her

 

[Concorde]

A team without He Kexin might’ve had Pang Panpan on it, and I’d still think team China would be the frontrunner

At a minimum, China would have lost 0.4 from using Pang Panpan instead of He Kexin on bars due to the decrease in A score. Considering the errors in her routines at the Moscow World Cup in 2008, I’m surprised she scored as high as she did. Below is a hypothetical evaluation.

A Score

DV

E x 3 (‘Lin’ pirouette, l-grip giant 1 1/2, ‘Lin’ pirouette with additional 1/2 turn), 1.5
D x 5 (Gienger, ‘Ling’ pirouette, straddled Jaeger, Ezhova, full twisting double tuck dismount), 2.0
C x 2 (Endo, l-grip giant), 0.6

Total DV - 4.1

CV

E + E x 1 (‘Lin’ pirouette + l-grip giant 1 1/2 ), 0.2
E + D, one flight element x 2 (l-grip giant 1 1/2 + Gienger, ‘Lin’ pirouette with additional 1/2 turn + full twisting double tuck dismount), 0.4
D + D x 1 (‘Ling’ pirouette + straddled Jaeger), 0.1

Total CV - 0.7

EGR

• Flight element from high bar to low bar (Ezhova)
• Flight element from low bar to high bar (toe-on shoot to high bar)
• Flight on same bar (Gienger or straddled Jaeger)
• Close bar element from Groups 2, 4, or 5 (Endo)
• Dismount, D (full twisting double tuck)

Total EGR - 2.5

Total A - 4.1 + 0.7 + 2.5 = 7.3

Possible Execution Deductions

l-grip giant 1 1/2
(angle of completion → at 30 degrees / more than 30 degrees past handstand), 0.5*

Gienger
(bent arms upon regrasp), 0.1

cast to handstand 1/2
(angle of completion → between 11 and 30 degrees of handstand), 0.1

giant to Higgins roll
(angle of completion → between 11 and 30 degrees of handstand), 0.1

straddled Jaeger
(bent arms upon regrasp), 0.1

cast to handstand 1/2 with legs straddled
(angle of completion → between 11 and 30 degrees of handstand), 0.1

toe-on shoot to high bar
(insufficient height), 0.1

cast to handstand with legs straddled
(angle of completion → between 11 and 30 degrees of handstand), 0.1

‘Lin’ pirouette with additional 1/2 turn
(angle of completion → more than 30 degrees past handstand), 0.5

full twisting double tuck dismount
(body posture on landing, chest at level of knees), 0.3

Total Execution Deductions - 1.6 - 2.0, B Score - 8.0 - 8.4

Total Score - 15.3 - 15.7

 

[Yarotska]

A team without He Kexin might’ve had Pang Panpan on it, and I’d still think team China would be the frontrunner

If she would’ve just gotten the damn ankle surgery or rested in 2007, she might have been on the team outright as a 3 eventer (UB, BB, FX)

 

[irichluck21]

A team without He Kexin might’ve had Pang Panpan on it, and I’d still think team China would be the frontrunner

Absolutely a front runner, but the He Kexin bars score was really a huge bump to the team total. Not to mention the last minute injuries to Memmel and Peszek. Also the decision to use Sacramone on floor instead of Sloan.

But definitely that 3rd spot on bars was China’s big weapon against the US. They used He Ning at Worlds and she was a low 15. Either way He Kexin was around a 16 when she hit. When she fell it was still a mid 15.
Without He Kexin, China wouldn’t have had that big bump from bars.

 

[irichluck21]

Blakely’s Lopez was devalued and credited as a Khorkina.
4.2

Compared to Leanne Wong’s Lopez which was given full credit.

Really unsure why the judges didn’t credit Blakely and credited Wong.





Blakely gets a deduction for piking down at the end, but she maintained layout shape throughout.
Very confused.

 

[FrolovasDoubleLayout]

For me, Wong’s is MORE piked at the inverted than Blakely’s. If anything, I’d have credited Wong with a Khorkina before Blakely.

(and I am still miffed at the WOver-scoreGA for Rivera on BB at this event)