2023 World Champions MAG Qualifications Subdivisions 5-6 & Paris Team Qualifiers (Sunday 10/01)

[blake]

Hm, I’m torn. I’d love to see all 3 countries earn a berth to Paris. Nin Reyes especially has been on the scene for a while.

 

[Rich]

does sawant get in as a reserve for australia? for paris

 

[blake]

No, there’s a bunch of guys in the final from non-team countries.

 

[J175]

There’s only one spot per apparatus, so for Sawant to qualify he would have to get into the final (unlikely as he’s third reserve) and then beat all the other eligible gymnasts there (also unlikely).

Three specialist spots (one here and two via the World Cups) is really not enough for Pommels or Rings.

 

[blake]

Even if Yulo withdraws from floor, the three reserves are all part of teams that qualified and the next highest individual is ranked 19th. Isn’t he assured a spot? Or would withdrawing void his prelims score?

 

[J175]

I think he is assured of the FX spot even if he withdraws. But it’s not decided yet because of the slim possibility he qualifies on PB.

 

[blake]

Thanks for clearing that all up!

 

[irichluck21]

This is the Netherlands 2nd time qualifying a full team to an Olympics. They also sent a full team to the 1928 games, but I don’t know if they had to qualify back then the way they do now.

As long as you were a member of the FIG and met a certain “qualifying score” you could enter the Olympics with a full team. Unsure what the actual qualifying score was, but it must have been a loose score. Morocco finished 20th at the Rome Olympics with 338.00 points. In 19th was Great Britain with 510.8 (172.8 points difference).

In Rome there were 20 teams that competed, meanwhile 4 years earlier in Melbourne, there were only 7 teams that competed (URS, JPN, FIN, CZE, GER, USA, AUS). Unsure why so many teams not to attend, but several countries boycotted the 1956 Olympics for various reasons.

The first Olympics to have a qualification system was 1976, which is the current format used today of top 12 teams from the previous Worlds to the Olympics. The qualified teams came from the 1974 Worlds.

In 1977, the FIG elected to hold Worlds every two years and now one would occur the year after the Olympics and the year before the Olympics. FIG held the 1978 Worlds (it was already planned for France) but added 1979 (host was USA). So then we had Worlds in odd years, twice in a quad.

 

[irichluck21]

I think since the teams and all arounders qualify through QUALIFICATIONS, the same should be said for the individual apparatus specialists. Just go highest placement in qualifications can call it a day.

 

[blake]

Assuming France can qualify someone through the WCs or Europeans, Khabibullo Ergashev (UZB) would get the reallocated host spot I believe.

I believe Iceland and Albania are the only eligible countries for the tripartite spot, and Petrov received it for Tokyo, so they may give the spot to Iceland. Tikhonov (AZE) is next in line in the AA if this spot ends up reallocated.

 

[blake]

What’s crazy to me is the first code being introduced at 1954 Worlds. Were they just judging based on vibes before that?

1954 was also the last time a worlds was held outdoors. Pommel horse with potential wind interference would be a new level of difficult.

 

[irichluck21]

If you look at the numbers, the gymnasts either got much better in one year, or the judging for E score was a bit loose.

Germany finished 9th last year with 243.292. This exact same score would have put them in 18th place this year, just below Uzbekistan.

Korea grabbed the final spot into team finals in 2022 with a 244.093, that same score would have been 17th here.

 

[J175]

The main reason I can see not to do that though is it would create the possibility of the World Champion missing the Olympics.

 

[irichluck21]

What’s crazy to me is the first code being introduced at 1954 Worlds. Were they just judging based on vibes before that?

There was a rule book, but it changed often, and other countries used different rule book/values/etc. But general impression was a high mark.
The CoP in 1954 was the first time an official rule book was issued that everyone followed.

 

[irichluck21]

The main reason I can see not to do that though is it would create the possibility of the World Champion missing the Olympics.

We have seen World Champions miss the Olympics quite often in the history of the sport.

 

[RedBirdie]

In Rome there were 20 teams that competed, meanwhile 4 years earlier in Melbourne, there were only 7 teams that competed (URS, JPN, FIN, CZE, GER, USA, AUS). Unsure why so many teams not to attend, but several countries boycotted the 1956 Olympics for various reasons.

Melbourne wasn’t exactly a easy or chear destination to get to in 1956.

 

[irichluck21]

Melbourne wasn’t exactly a easy or chear destination to get to in 1956.

True, plus the Olympics were held in November to December.

 

[J175]

The World Champion being uninjured and eligible for an apparatus specialist spot then. It would be silly if the PH and SR spots were awarded today and then McClenaghan or Petrounias fell in the final but still went to Paris while the winner sat at home. People remember who wins the gold medal, not who comes top in qualifying.

The same consideration doesn’t apply for team or AA because they are inevitably awarding spots to teams/individuals who won’t be in the final.