Worlds 2021 - Podium Training

[Doug1233]

Have any bars videos on the side turned up yet?

 

[RedBirdie]

Yes, everyone did AA, but I’ve not seen videos of everyone. I’ve been able to piece together the order they went in, though.

UB: Konnor, eMjae, Leanne, Kayla
BB: eMjae, Leanne, Kayla, Konnor
FX: eMjae, Konnor, Kayla, Leanne
VT: eMjae, Leanne, Konnor, Kayla

 

[QuietColours]

UB: Konnor, eMjae, Leanne, Kayla
BB: eMjae, Leanne, Kayla, Konnor
FX: eMjae, Konnor, Kayla, Leanne
VT: eMjae, Leanne, Konnor, Kayla

Those are…really interesting lineups. We know Kayla’s doing AA, so that would suggest first up is the person sitting out the event, and I would not have called eMjae only competing bars.

 

[ArnoldRimmer]

Unless she is injured?

 

[JJS_5056]

The guidelines state there should be no pike prior to 45 degrees post-vertical; +/- 10 degrees is acceptable for a Layout (i…e, ‘hollow’ as you say, or ‘arch’ as shown in the beginning) per the COP (unless a Help Desk contradicts the official COP, which is the most annoying thing in the world). I see a Layout with:

1. Acceptable (10-degree) arched body shape until vertical >
2. Acceptable hollow (10-degree) between vertical and 45 degrees >
3. Slight pike in preparation for landing.

The language above is so damn confusing; is a pike-down after 45-degrees acceptable or not? It reads as if it is fine, as long as it is +/- 10 degrees beforehand. Either way, I’d deduct -.20 at most:
-.10 for failure to maintain stretched position;
-.10 for insufficient height
…and call it a day. Downgrading a skill because either a) you think the hollow shape is 15 vs. 10 degrees, or b) you think the pike-down began at 55 vs. 45 degrees past vertical shouldn’t be ‘a thing’ when other deductions are available for borderline cases (as there are many).

I can’t stand how an official governing body of a sport can’t settle on what technical requirements define a basic, fundamental skill like a Layout on BB. Why does this definition (1 of many) change so frequently? How can a coach prepare gymnasts for the future never knowing what curveballs the WTC will throw? They hate subjectivity, but how is it objective to word-smith whether the above example gets .30 or not every 4 years? Sigh.

 

[JJS_5056]

Gee, if only the WTC could think of other ways to ensure Elite level athletes are never incentivized to throw a Layout Full instead of building stamina (or looking at other alternatives) to perfect a Double Tuck DMT off BB. The solution shouldn’t be to throw a DMT that 10-year olds can learn, and the .20 DMT Bonus is so dumb. Just make DMT DV:
A = 0.0
B = 0.1
C = 0.2
D = 0.4
E = 0.6
F = 0.8
G = 0.9
H = 1.0
I = 1.1

…and add back the damn CR, since one of the most important aspects of sound composition is a consistent level of difficulty throughout, including the DMT. Award 0.5 for C (Q/TF) / D (AA/EF).

 

[irichluck21]

I would not have called eMjae only competing bars.

Which if that is the case…why? If one person was only going to do bars, wouldn’t you take Greaves?

 

[ArnoldRimmer]

I’m not sure leaving eMjae out was an option.

 

[RedBirdie]

I’m not sure leaving eMjae out was an option.

I mean, it was an option, but not one Tom was willing to make.

 

[irichluck21]

UB: Konnor, eMjae, Leanne, Kayla
BB: eMjae, Leanne, Kayla, Konnor
FX: eMjae, Konnor, Kayla, Leanne
VT: eMjae, Leanne, Konnor, Kayla

Spencer is saying that Konnor was first up on floor. Meaning eMjae would do bars and floor and Konnor beam only, unless she is throwing a DTY for shits and giggles.

 

[Doug1233]

Which if that is the case…why? If one person was only going to do bars, wouldn’t you take Greaves?

Feeling vindicated…

 

[Doug1233]

I thought Konnor went up first on floor?

 

[ArnoldRimmer]

Practically speaking, I wonder how far that’s true. As well as the situation he inherited, he’s already in a position where multiple gymnasts have been critical either directly or indirectly of him and the selection processes in the last few months. The levels of trust are a problem. Not sending the 2nd place finisher at camp in favour of someone who isn’t even guaranteed to make an EF on her event even if she hits carries a significant risk of further undermining the confidence of the athletes.

 

[JJS_5056]

Also, screw Tom and Al. Leanne’s routines are so tragic and she had/has so much potential. I mean, even assuming the loss of in-bars was due to growth/injury, they had 2 years to figure out how to compensate. She went from the RUS-lite template / ~6.0 D in 2019 to 5.4 D in 2021, counting a B! 2 years and she couldn’t:

Option 1: Add a Stalder (C) and Piked Jaeger (E) = 5.6 D
Option 2: Add an Invert 1/1 (D) + Piked Jaeger (E) = 5.8 D
Option 3: Add an Invert 1/1 (D) + Piked Jaeger (E); DLO 1/1 (E) = 5.9 D

UB was always going to be a key event for Tokyo, and going from a 14.000 max to 14.200 - 14.500 could’ve made a huge difference!

BB and FX are even sadder. Why the heck did they spend ANY time on things like the Aerial + LSO (same D as BHS+LSO+LSO) and Silivas (-.10 in D from the DDS+Stag)? WHY was/is she throwing a dozen C’s on BB, with a freaking Switch+Straddle leap series? ADD A BHS! And a WOLF FULL?

1. Switch + Ring Leap + Korbut = C+D+B = .30 CV
2. Side Aerial + LSO = D+C = .20 CV
3. Aerial + Split + BHS = D+B+B = .20 CV
4. Switch Ring = E
5. Split + Side Somi + Straddle 1/2 = B+D+D = .40 CV
6. RO + 3/1 = B+F = .20 CV

CDDE | DDDF = 5.4 + 1.3 CV = 6.7 D

Ugh.

 

[Doug1233]

Do you want to judge the podium routines? Lmk if you want to and you don’t already have edit rights to the spreadsheet.

 

[QuietColours]

Konnor beam only, unless she is throwing a DTY for shits and giggles.

I mean honestly, unless they think there’s a significant chance of her getting injured or it throwing off her beam game, why not? Get an international appraisal and practice competing the event in international competition.

 

[Doug1233]

unless a Help Desk contradicts the official COP, which is the most annoying thing in the world

Yep.

See the picture I posted above. That was from the Help Desk. Not the Code.

There is no 10-degree “allowance” written in the “how to interpret layouts on beam” section of the Help Desk.

 

[Doug1233]

I mean honestly, unless they think there’s a significant chance of her getting injured or it throwing off her beam game, why not? Get an international appraisal and practice competing the event in international competition.

I would have Konnor, DiCello and Leanne all do AA. And then take the inevitable Twitter-hysteria afterwards. She doesn’t need “the experience”. If USA is putting EmJae Frazier on any future World or Olympic team, they’ve got bigger things to be worrying about.

 

[YurchenkoLoop]

Ting Hua-tien BB



Wei Xiaoyuan UB



More vids from the same account that I can post later but I need to eat hahaha. Doug, I’m looking to add more gymnasts to the spreadsheet–can I copy and paste or will that f*ck up some formatting?

Edit: just wait til you all see Luo Rui’s BB from PT…

 

[JaJa]

I’m just not sure about Konnor, period

I am too busy and not able to watch PT, but I had very serious doubts about
Konnor from the start.