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ThisI will sign off with the hot take that I find the reputation of Soviet era ‘artistic’ floor routines to be largely overhyped for what amounts to a lot of second rate ballerina impersonations on the one hand and extremely cringey displays of cutesy, preening juvenilia
Ooooh, shots fired. Lemme settle in for this debate.I will sign off with the hot take that I find the reputation of Soviet era ‘artistic’ floor routines to be largely overhyped for what amounts to a lot of second rate ballerina impersonations on the one hand and extremely cringey displays of cutesy, preening juvenilia.
oooh good choice but I do love her olympic routine a little betterNot Soviet, but I am prepared to die on this hill: Onodi’s “West Side Story” is the greatest floor routine ever.
Yeah, that’s a pretty hot take and imo a gross reduction. These gymnasts were ostensibly doing much of the tumbling we see today but without springs. And the dance had syncopation, extension, leaps that lifted UP off the floor (not forward, cranking around turns), every head tilt was intentional.I will sign off with the hot take that I find the reputation of Soviet era ‘artistic’ floor routines to be largely overhyped for what amounts to a lot of second rate ballerina impersonations on the one hand and extremely cringey displays of cutesy, preening juvenilia.![]()
Yeah, I mean her performance was always middle of the pack, neither abysmal nor exceptional, but I did always feel like she could have done more if she wanted or was incentivized to. (Unlike, say, Jade Carey who has proven in the last few years that she really is trying her damndest, to little avail). But the irony of Simone’s greatness is that her consistency/longevity means we take her for granted a bit, when in reality a stuck triple double should never fail to blow our collective minds. And yet this thread has the requisite hat tips to grainy VHS footage from that one time Vanessa Atler did a rudi vault (or even Yang Bo’s somewhat spotty track record on beam) because those flash-in-the-pan moments of brilliance are even more poetic, little talismans of would be greatness somehow more enticing than the proven champions.I do feel Simone would absolutely be in the position with her tumbling skills to do that but her presentation does not do it for me, although I would not be surprised if there was a poll and she were to come out first
I actually think part of the reason is that whenever this subject comes up, we tend to shy more away from floor because it’s the hardest one to call. All the apparatus is different now to what it was a few decades ago, but on floor there’s also the element of subjectivity as well as the post 2000 dance bonus, attempts to codify artistry etc and the extent to which that (mostly) makes the task harder.But the irony of Simone’s greatness is that her consistency/longevity means we take her for granted a bit, when in reality a stuck triple double should never fail to blow our collective minds.
It was actually Beijing 08 and Rotterdam '10 that did me in. But during the pandemic I watched all the major international competitions from the 80sI imagine, based on your avatar, probably an element of nostalgia depending on the era of gymnastics that you cut your teeth on
There are many champions from yesteryears who were regarded as the greatest, revolutionized apparatuses, performed never before seen stunts, and insanely consistent (it was ostensibly 50/50 whether Silivas would do a perfect beam routine or have a single wobble). I’d argue the 10 code made it harder for one to become a repeat champion, as there was less margin for error. And there were loads more gymnasts in contention for titles than we see nowadays; there’s little competition at the top in modern day elite. Few today talk about how Shushunova nearly swept the 85 Euros or the 86 World Cup, but it doesn’t make her any less of a Capra QueenAnd yet this thread has the requisite hat tips to grainy VHS footage from that one time Vanessa Atler did a rudi vault (or even Yang Bo’s somewhat spotty track record on beam) because those flash-in-the-pan moments of brilliance are even more poetic, little talismans of would be greatness somehow more enticing than the proven champions.
It’s Gnauck. Khorkina has a few more titles, but competitions were held less frequently when Gnauck was competing. Don’t worry, it’s Gnauck. And rest assured knowing that Mustafina has the longest reign of Olympic UB champion due to the Tokyo postponement.And I know there’s not been much bars in this thread, but let’s be honest, that’s because the answer is probably Khorkina and people don’t want to give her any accolades at the moment. I don’t. I know I just wrote that she was the best but I’ll still find a way to deny it.