2025 EYOF

[blake]

EYOF started earlier this week.

Results: https://skopje2025.sporteurope.org/schedule-and-results/

I'm very impressed with the Slovakian team that finished 2nd, Piliarova has a lot of potential I think.

 

[blake]

Full QF/EF videos are available on the Elevien app.

 

[Gymfan93]

Agree- I was very pleasantly surprised to see Slovakia do so well, and I hope they continue to progress as seniors.
Colas from France is very impressive, but I worry they are pushing too much difficulty too early.

 

[MaryClare]

Agree- I was very pleasantly surprised to see Slovakia do so well, and I hope they continue to progress as seniors.
Colas from France is very impressive, but I worry they are pushing too much difficulty too early.

Colas is like a junior from a different era

 

[Sanzhirovka]

Other than bars, I don't see that Colas is doing anything terribly "difficult too early".

Even on bars, the only thing I might find dangerous is so many inbar skills.

 

[MaryClare]

Other than bars, I don't see that Colas is doing anything terribly "difficult too early".

Even on bars, the only thing I might find dangerous is so many inbar skills.

Why are in bar skills “dangerous” and where does this rhetoric come from?
I have seen this crop up on Reddit a few times but I’ve no idea why some people have such a big issue with in bar skills or why they are deemed dangerous?

 

[makam]

Why are in bar skills “dangerous” and where does this rhetoric come from?
I have seen this crop up on Reddit a few times but I’ve no idea why some people have such a big issue with in bar skills or why they are deemed dangerous?

I assume it is an extrapolation from all the gymnasts with back issues that stopped doing inbars. I'm guessing if you don't have the right technique or right body type (assuming a longer torso is better vs long legs), you are probably putting strain on your back in a way that can cause you issues as an adult. Like hip problems in figure skaters.

 

[MaryClare]

I assume it is an extrapolation from all the gymnasts with back issues that stopped doing inbars. I'm guessing if you don't have the right technique or right body type (assuming a longer torso is better vs long legs), you are probably putting strain on your back in a way that can cause you issues as an adult. Like hip problems in figure skaters.

There’s a lot of probablies in that statement.
Yes, in bars are difficult to train/get back if you’ve have back issues but I see no evidence that they are the cause of back issues. Poor technique and insufficient conditioning on anything is asking for trouble, I don’t see anything particular about in bars. Particularly as it’s very rare that we see a deep pike these days. It also seems to only be ascribed to female gymnasts. Does anyone think male gymnasts shouldn’t do in bar skills?
It’s not really comparable with hip injuries in skaters. That is almost always a RSI caused by early twisting on jumps.
As someone who has sat through many, many UB finals at the Russia cup/nationals, I am not a fan of the overuse of in bar skills. But that’s purely from a variety/compositional point.

 

[KristyJ]

Figure skating hip injuries are frequently the result of the explosive power needed to launch into a jump that takes off on a curve (even if a small one, proper technique involves up to a half rotation on ice before air time, which was a really weird thing for me to learn after decades of gymnastics), or from the force of landing. If anything in gymnastics was to mirror that, it would be vaults, dismount landings, and tumbling, especially if landings are often underrotated.

 

[Aeris]

Particularly as it’s very rare that we see a deep pike these days.

Should be required to get full credit on an inbar skill. Of course, that also means they would need to lift the stupid E cap on pirouettes, so a Deep Inbar 1/1 can be properly rated as F.

 

[MaryClare]

Should be required to get full credit on an inbar skill. Of course, that also means they would need to lift the stupid E cap on pirouettes, so a Deep Inbar 1/1 can be properly rated as F.

The problem is that only works for the skill when done in completion or as a pirouette. It won’t work for anything that uses a piked stalder entry. The deeper the pike, the more momentum is lost.

Imo they don’t need to be deep to be done well but some examples are basically just done as a toe on but flexing your feet so that they miss the bar…

 

[Aeris]

Well yes of course, it wouldn't apply to single bar releases.

 

[KorbutFan]

Great weekend for Uzair Chowdhury