Simone Biles comeback: latest on US Classic Roster

[cftmoonlight79]

In the DP program actual physical contact has to occur for a spotting deduction.

 

[RichardL]

Four EFs including AA (she competed and medaled on beam) but yes, insane the medal haul she would’ve had. Also interesting to note that the current US team has many medals because of her withdrawal (Lee AA gold, Carey FX gold, Skinner VT silver) that never would’ve happened if Simone had competed. The rest of the team would’ve looked like the support team that they really were, but then they did great when stepping up in her absence. But Suni and Jade especially capitalized to win individual gold and it makes the whole US team so much more decorated because those were golds that Simone had already won.

 

[rlayt]

i always laugh at the story Aimee told about Simone hating camp and deciding not to go back. So then Marta didn’t want her until she was undeniable.

 

[Aeris]

Can we talk about Simone’s beam at Classic? That 14.8 was way off to me. Her adjustment steps may have been ignored by this panel and there’s a lot to deduct on the opening sequence, side aerial, and dismount. I’m not seeing enough elongation and rhythm either. Suni handedly won the apparatus and Skye is ahead on my sheet too.

 

[Denn]

To be fair, if Biles had been present, Lee and Carey could have gotten silver (or bronze, I guess).

 

[Denn]

can you post the video and list your deductions? I remember thinking that the score was okay.

 

[Denn]

Despite anything claimed on Gymcastic (unless it was Donatella’s mouth), I actually could see FIG doing 6.0 for the tucked version — just like the Double front tuck — and 6.2 for the piked.

(Not saying that’s what I think it SHOULD be, but what I could see happening)

 

[RedBirdie]

Ugh, that just reminds me how freaking undervalued the front handspring double tuck is. Which is not to say I want a return to the days of chucking it because massive d score will overcome landing on your ass so long as your heels it a millisecond sooner.

 

[Aeris]

Agree, the Prod should be worth more than a Yurchenko double tuck, that’s how those entries are valued everywhere else in WAG. Just make a rule about fake landings on vaults and give an extra deduction in addition to the fall when the gymnast doesn’t show actual support on their legs before falling.

I also agree with just .2 more for the Yurchenko double pike compared to a tuck version, if that’s what they end up doing. Maintaining pike on a fully backwards skill is easier than doing it on a fully forwards skill (a piked Produnova would deserve the .4 boost).

The overrating of the Cheng also needs to be corrected for other vaults to be valued more accurately in comparison.

 

[Denn]

In MAG, the piked vaults get 0.4 more than the tucked vaults — all levels.

In WAG, the piked vaults get 0.2 more. But maybe they’ll say this is two flips, so 2 x 0.2? Hm.

 

[Aeris]

.1 form on each skill in the opening series, .1 connection rhythm between each, and .1 adjustment (.6 total)
.1 form on each skill in the front aerial series (.3 total)
.1 adjustment before the acro series and .1 form during (.2 total)
.1 form, amplitude, precision, balance on the side aerial (.4 total)
.1 adjustment and pause before the dismount, .2 form and .4 steps (.8 total)
.1 elongation and rhythm for the routine as a whole (.2 total)
7.5 E, she received 8.3

 

[gymfan]

.1 form on each skill in the opening series, .1 connection rhythm between each, and .1 adjustment (.6 total)

I personally don’t think there is an adjustment. She shows sufficient extension for her arm circular movement to warrant as choreography after the series. The move smoothly connects to the low beam movements.

.1 form on each skill in the front aerial series (.3 total)

The jumps are fine I think. They hit 180 degree.

.1 form, amplitude, precision, balance on the side aerial (.4 total)

Her amplitude is totally okay. Is there precision deduction for acrobatic element?

.1 adjustment and pause before the dismount, .2 form and .4 steps (.8 total)

The step is 0.3. From a brevet judge’s breakdown on Jessica Gadirova’s beam, the second step after a huge step doesn’t count as a deduction, unless she immediately took a step after the first one.

 

[gymfan]

That said, adjustment deductions really do hurt gymnasts for doing BHS acrobatic series.

 

[rlayt]

A recent interview with Gymnastics Now:

Q: Is the definition of “doing it for me” now different than what you meant two years ago?

Biles: I think going into it, I really was doing it for me, and then there were all those outside noises and then everybody telling me like, you’re our gold medal token and all that stuff. And that’s from our inside team. That was really tough.

Another part:

Q: How do you feel now about pressure and expectations? How do you manage that?

Biles: I think I feel a lot better because I found ways to manage that. It’s like: deleting Twitter, not trying to look at it, and stuff like that. Because there are really nice comments. You have your supporters, your fans, like your day ones, and then you have those really nasty ones that can get to you

 

[ucrgirl]

I think I heard that interview and was relieved that she put Social media (and the crazy people who post) in it’s place.

 

[rlayt]

The public on social media is mostly nasty people. It’s noisy too. The best thing for most people is to stay away from it.

 

[JaJa]

Its nasty, noisy and often totally inacurate

 

[makam]

Social media is only good for some of the zingers people post that other people collect and put into stupid “articles” that i read. I don’t have to go looking for them. I do like when people here post a video of a gymnast training something but i never look at the comments or make any myself. There is probably a correlation with how popular you get and the number of extra crazies and hateful people you collect outside of the regular ratios.

 

[Denn]

I disagree. I would deduct the back pike for height and low chest and also probably deduct for lack of creativity. So I would be 0.3 lower there.

However, I do not agree that there was an adjustment after the opening series. I also think that the mount, back pike, front aerial, split jump, straddle jump, and acro series all have clean form. If you disagree, you might offer screen caps and cite the rule. I also disagree about elongation. She’s short, but she elongates. So I would be 0.8 higher there.

So I would be at 8.0. 8.3 is a little high, but not a big gift.

 

[Denn]

The step is 0.3. From a brevet judge’s breakdown on Jessica Gadirova’s beam, the second step after a huge step doesn’t count as a deduction, unless she immediately took a step after the first one.

But Simone Biles is not pulling her feet together after a big step. She continues to be off balance and steps backwards again.

I agree with most of the rest of what you said.