2023 Winter Cup

[rlayt]

why not compete it and get the feedback they need to further work on it? She really doesn’t lose anything for trying it out.

That’s a good way to look at it. That would make sense.

 

[Doug1233]

get the feedback

Well they certainly got the feedback that’s for sure.

 

[Bob]

loses nothing apart from respect. But also loses the chance to go back to make basics correct. She needs to not compete bars for a year and go back to level 8 9 and 10 routines until they are solid. Then add in higher skills.

 

[Bob]

why would olympic level coaches need feedback? Can they not see what needs improving. What you mean is see what they can get away with perhaps. And that is where the problems in coaching lie.

 

[MaryClare]

I agree. I’m quite sure that her coaches know what the problems are. Arguably, they haven’t had enough time yet (and there are multiple problems to sort out with this gymnast). But it also could be that the gymnast and or her parents think that these coaches can wave a magic wand. But that’s only going to work if you give them the time and cooperation required. I mean, do we think that any coach could have significantly changed Mykayla Skinner’s gymnastics had she transferred someplace else when already an elite…

Perhaps though, that getting irrefutable proof such as international scores will give the coaches the necessary leverage to get the gymnast and parents to realise what needs to happen.

 

[irichluck21]

Gymnasts had to compete AA to qualify to nationals via the Winter Cup, correct?
So she had to do bars for that purpose

Yes. 51.00 was required and Roberson got 51.700 so she qualified herself to Nationals.
2 and 3 event specialists cannot qualify via Winter Cup.

 

[Doug1233]

I see some potential here. She’s born in 2009 so not eligible for Paris.

Grace McCallum vibes.

 

[Doug1233]

E 7.25.

I don’t understand. Can someone else E Panel this.

Watching it live, I had an 8.0 (A2) and @irichluck21 had a 7.8 (A1).

For reference, this got a 7.55 E (I had a 7.1, A2)

 

[Denn]

Roberson, I got 7.5.
Booth, I got 7.2.

 

[Doug1233]

Roberson, I got 7.5.
Booth, I got 7.2.

Very interested in your breakdown of each.

I’m judging the non-broadcast routines over the next week.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Oi1PlTnkNfe2b7Aa-Q5g36mzq2w8xvazG1cEDNa67Y/edit#gid=1366718549

 

[Doug1233]

Disidore


I have:

Silivas (1 legs, 3 chest, 1 step)
Popa (1 body shape, 1 precision)
DLO (1 legs, 3 body posture, 3 hop)
Switch (1 body shape)
Switch 1/2* (1 body shape, 1 precision, 1 off-balance)
Single Wolf* (1 body shape, 1 precision)
Split 1/1* (1 precision)
1 Pause
Back 3/2 - Front 1/1 (1 legs x 2, 1 lack of stretch, 1 step)
1 Pause
Double Pike (1 feet, 3 medium hop, 1 small hop)
Artistry 3 - Complexity, Corners, Upper Body Posture

E - 6.5 (A3)

She got 7.5 E.

Booth



Front 2/1 (1 legs, 1 step)
Back 2.5 (1 legs crossed, 1 bent knees, 3 step)
Single Y* (1 precision, 3 off-balance)
Split 1/1 (1 precision)
Split Ring (0)
BHS (1 leg sep)
Double Tuck (1 leg sep, 1 body posture, 3 step)
Switch Ring (0, could potentially take amplitude on this but I didn’t)
Switch Half (1 precision)
Artistry 2 - Corners, Complexity (although the low to floor work almost checked this)

E - 7.9 (in real time I had an 8.0 so maybe didn’t take 2 for the legs in the Back 2.5?)

She got 7.25 E.

 

[KristyJ]

In addition to what you list, I took .3 on the first pass step, I did take .1 on the split ring but it’s also a not great angle, feet on the double tuck, and I think you could call that two or three steps on that last pass, so .1 each additional step.

 

[Denn]

Same as Kristy. I also deducted the split position for the switch half and that double back pass was totally off line.

 

[Denn]

Disidore — She also fell back on that tuckstand spin! She made something dancey out of it, but that definitely was a cover!

 

[Doug1233]

and I think you could call that two or three steps on that last pass, so .1 each additional step.

You’d take 0.3 + 0.1 + 0.1 for steps on the Double Tuck? That’s really harsh. If anything, it was 0.1 + 0.1 + 0.1 = 0.3; which I gave.

Also, Split Ring absolutely hit the required position:

@Denn, I took 0.1 for precision on this Switch Half for hips being slightly out of alignment. I don’t think it warrants another tenth for Body Shape.

I still don’t see how this scored 0.25E less than Disidore.

 

[Doug1233]

And with respect to Roberson - if we are using this pen to deduct Booth’s beautiful leaps and 0.5 in steps on a Double Tuck, then we could go absolutely ham on every single one of her dance skills to maintain the same pen.

 

[Doug1233]

Disidore — She also fell back on that tuckstand spin!

I originally took that too. But then watched it again and I think one could argue that it may have been choreographed. So benefit to gymnast.

 

[KristyJ]

I would say the double tuck pass is minimum .4 in steps. One of them is visibly a large step. Third .1 debatable.

 

[Denn]

For the switch half, you took off for “precision”. We usually wouldn’t use “precision” for hip alignment, right? — that would be a body shape deduction. I figured you deducted for something else I didn’t see. If not, then we deducted the same amount for the same thing.

 

[Denn]

And with respect to Roberson - if we are using this pen to deduct Booth’s beautiful leaps and 0.5 in steps on a Double Tuck, then we could go absolutely ham on every single one of her dance skills to maintain the same pen.

No way. She only has 2 leaps and a tuckstand spin. The L-hop hits the horizontal position for the full 360° — and if anything, she overturns it so she can fit in all those chassés into the Gogean (I hate that), but that Gogean hits 180°, with pretty decent hip position too, and only a slight downward angle to the horizontal split position. It’s hard to catch on video in real time maybe, but it’s there. So there’s no “ham” to go there. I had multiple deductions on the tuckstand, but it’s not really bad.