2024 US Olympic Trials MAG Day 2 (6/29)

[RedBirdie]

PH specialists aren't unheard of. For whatever reason, and admittedly my MAG knowledge is very limited, PH attracts guys who specialize on that event and that event only.

 

[Denn]

PH specialists not only tend to have different, more easily sustainable physiques than other specialists but also get injured less.

 

[MrSixkiller]

PH specialists not only tend to have different, more easily sustainable physiques than other specialists but also get injured less.

That’s interesting! I would expect pommels to be really hard on your wrists and shoulders.

 

[Denn]

That’s interesting! I would expect pommels to be really hard on your wrists and shoulders.

Yes, but PH specialists (a) are only training that event so have overall fewer training hours, (b) usually have physiques that are suited to the event to begin with, including wrists and shoulders and (c) aren't messing up other parts of their bodies with torn ACLs, Achilles, biceps or sprained ankles or whatever.

 

[makam]

Rings also seems to produce specialists--probably because the muscles needed to be top tier interfere with other events.

 

[Denn]

NBC was saying the 2nd highest scoring team was .05 lower than the team chosen and that it had Yul on it, but they didn't say who he would be replacing, unless I missed that part.

I did not hear that part (we had paused earlier and fast-forwarded to the announcement). This is literally a single judging error. Decisions can't be made only like that — and maybe the decision WASN'T only made like that and they wanted that top-scoring team anyway, not just for the 0.05 — but, either way, Yul must be even more devastated.

I do think that taking Paul Juda and Asher Hong means no more event medals. Taking Yul meant a possible parallel bars medal.

 

[rlayt]

Nobody can blame him for taking the opportunities that are there or thinking strategically and planning a routine that was safe enough but scoring high enough to make the team. He’s a risky decision by the committee but it might work out.

 

[Passion]

https://static.usagym.org/PDFs/Pressbox/Selection%20Procedures/m_24olympics.pdf

 

[rlayt]

“This is not WAG”. I don’t believe even WAG does it the Marta way anymore. Pretty sure the highest scoring team from the healthiest who are left goes to Paris.

 

[Passion]

 

[arabiandoublefront]

Well, you win by the strategy or you lose. We shall see. I get that Chris Brooks was an issue in 2016, but this isn't the answer.

 

[Passion]

“This is not WAG”. I don’t believe even WAG does it the Marta way anymore. Pretty sure the highest scoring team from the healthiest who are left goes to Paris.

That’s not in the women’s selection procedures. WAG is not going strictly by highest scoring team. They are looking at a variety of factors.

 

[rlayt]

My bad I thought it was a slur on the way Marta chose teams. TAKEN strictly and LITERALLY you are right about the selection procedure. I was trying to inject humor into it.

 

[Kara]

Yep, this is not WAG; say what you want about how the women's team has been selected, but they win.

 

[Passion]

My bad I thought it was a slur on the way Marta chose teams. TAKEN strictly and LITERALLY you are right about the selection procedure. I was trying to inject humor into it.

I’m just worried if WAG doesn’t take the exact highest scoring team for TF no matter what that there will be undue outcry. The Washington Post team calculator thing is not helping.

The selection criteria for WAG is completely different than MAG. It’s picking a team for qualification lineups specifically, not TF, it’s looking at both D scores and E scores, consistency and percentages of hit routines at all events since ‘23 Worlds, and composite strength of the team as a whole.

MAG looked at Nationals and Trials scores together as one competition, used math to pick the team, and absolutely nothing else.

 

[MaryClare]

The question is why has the men’s programme decided on this selection criteria

 

[arabiandoublefront]

I’m just worried if WAG doesn’t take the exact highest scoring team for TF no matter what that there will be undue outcry. The Washington Post team calculator thing is not helping.

The selection criteria for WAG is completely different then MAG. It’s picking a team for qualification lineups specifically, not TF, it’s looking at both D scores and E scores, consistency and percentages of hit routines at all events since ‘23 Worlds, and composite strength of the team as a whole.

MAG looked at Nationals and Trials scores together as one competition, used math to pick the team and absolutely nothing else.

The Washington Post should really summarize the selection criteria in addition to the calculator.

 

[rlayt]

I’d like to hear more about priorities and all that too. I think they decided to go for broke and gamble to get a team medal but that’s just my guess.

 

[arabiandoublefront]

I’d like to hear more about priorities and all that too. I think they decided to go four broke and gamble to get a team medal but that’s just my guess.

There's also a history of our MAG gymnasts being disappointed when they're not selected and not understanding why. I think they're going to need to find a balance, though.

 

[rlayt]

USAG isn’t known for transparency unfortunately.