Chinese Nationals

[blake]

Watching the FX final rn, I thought China would be our last bastion against the wolf turns, how depressing. Also, I hate that the front illusion turn is a thing.

Another fall for Yushan, sigh. I need her to not headcase herself out of contention.

I can’t believe I’m saying this but I think Chunsong was robbed of the title or at least silver. She had the cleanest landings of the top 3, and her punch front looked squarer than usual. I think we can all agree though that a mediocre 2/1 twist is the lamest way to end a floor routine.

 

[Doug1233]

Tbh I had Shang in 5th. Her form is Markedly worse. Zero artistry or even an attempt at it. Worse than Jade.

 

[blake]

Maybe I’m getting too sentimental in my old age then lmaooo

Usually I find her borderline unwatchable but this routine seemed minimally better than what I remembered her doing in past years.

 

[Concorde]

Lu Yufei - Balance Beam Final

Acro

1 x E (layout to two feet)
2 x D (aerial, side aerial)
1 X C (double twist dismount)

Total Acro DV - 1.6

Dance

1 x E (switch ring leap)
2 x D (split ring jump, split ring leap)
1 x C (switch leap)

Total Dance DV - 1.6

CV / Series Bonus

switch ring leap + split ring leap + back handspring stepout (E + D + B) = 0.3 CV + 0.1 SB

round off + layout to two feet (B + E) = 0.1 CV

aerial + split jump + straddle jump (D + B + B) = 0.1 CV + 0.1 SB

switch leap + split ring leap (C + D) = 0.1 CV

Total CV / SB = 0.8

CR

Dance Series - switch leap + split ring leap
Turn - full turn
Acro Series with Salto - round off + layout to two feet
Acro Elements in Different Directions - back handspring stepout, aerial

Total D - 3.2 + 0.8 + 2.0 = 6.0

Deductions

layout to two feet

• (body posture on landing, chest forward) 0.1
• (balance adjustment) 0.1

aerial

• (bent knee) 0.1

side aerial

• (body posture / chest forward) 0.1
• (medium balance adjustment / multiple small adjustments) 0.3

switch leap + split ring leap

• (poor rhythm of connection) 0.1^

split ring leap

• (medium balance adjustment) 0.3

double twist

• (body posture on landing, chest forward) 0.1^

Total - 1.2

Artistry

• (Insufficient variation in rhythm) 0.1
• (Insufficient complexity or creativity in the movements) 0.1

Total E - 8.6 - 8.8 / -1.4 / -1.2

 

[YurchenkoLoop]

I haven’t scored myself yet, but this was likely not deserving with that big mistake on the inbar 1/1.

The Twitter notion among a lot of Chinese gym fan accounts seems to be that China is seeing Wei Xiaoyuan as a prospective +1 because she’s a contender for both beam (not as great of a specialist for this event as Guan would be) and bars–she’s planning an inbar 1/1 + Komova II + Pak + VL for Tokyo. She also is planning a Ray dismount, which is not hard to imagine. She’s a solid AAer and likely to factor into at least the early part of this next quad, so I think that’s part of the push for her. Maybe there’s no truth to it, but that’s what I’ve read anyway

 

[YurchenkoLoop]

I’ve never been crazy about her dismount either.

Fan releases her right arm and completes the 1/2 twist into her double back prior to releasing with her left arm. The whole twist is on the bar, and she’s essentially competing a double back. Given it’s named after her, I guess that’s what it is, no? She often loses quite a few tenths on it…

 

[ArnoldRimmer]

I’ve also never liked it. Appreciate that it’s something different, but it often looks cheated and flung. She never seems to get enough height.

The announced Olympic training squad is Lu Yufei, Ou Yushan, Zhang Jin, Tang Xijing, Li Shijia, Luo Rui, Wei Xiaoyuan, He Licheng, Chen Yile, Qi Qi, Liu Tingting, Guan Chenchen, Sun Xinyi, and obviously Fan Yilin.

 

[Concorde]

Tang Xijing - Balance Beam Final

Acro

3 x E (Yurchenko / layout stepout mount, layout to two feet, double pike)
1 x D (aerial)

Total Acro DV - 1.9

Dance

1 x E (switch ring leap)
2 x D (split ring jump, split ring leap)
1 x C (switch leap)

Total Dance DV - 1.6

CV / Series Bonus

round off + layout to two feet (B + E) = 0.1 CV

aerial + split ring jump + Korbut (D + D + B) = 0.3 CV + 0.1 SB

switch leap + split ring leap + back handspring stepout (C + D + B) = 0.2 CV + 0.1 SB

Total CV / SB = 0.8

CR

Dance Series - switch leap + split ring leap
Turn - full turn
Acro Series with Salto - round off + layout to two feet
Acro Elements in Different Directions - aerial, back handspring stepout

Total D - 3.5 + 0.8 + 2.0 = 6.3

Downgrades

aerial + split ring jump + Korbut

• No CV and series bonus due to the balance error on the aerial

Total D - 3.5 + 0.5 + 2.0 = 6.0

Deductions

layout to two feet

• (leg separation) 0.1^ (perhaps not as visible from the side)
• (body posture on landing, chest forward) 0.1
• (medium balance adjustment / multiple small adjustments) 0.3

aerial

• (medium balance error) 0.3

split ring jump

• (body posture / front leg below horizontal) 0.1

switch ring leap + split ring leap

• (poor rhythm of connection) 0.1

split ring leap

• (body posture / foot at head height and insufficient split) 0.3

switch ring leap

• (large balance error) 0.5

double pike

• (insufficient height) 0.1
• (head at knee level) 0.3^ (in real-time it’s borderline whether Tan is slightly above knee level, which would be 0.1, or at knee level, especially with how quickly she bounces up after the first contact)
• (hop on landing) 0.1

Total - 2.3

^ Denotes borderline, valid position for a judge to not deduct

Artistry

• (Lack of side choreography) 0.1^ (I did not find the sequence of movements before the dismount to be sufficient to fulfill the requirement.)
• (Insufficient variation in rhythm) 0.1
• Insufficient complexity or creativity in the movements) 0.1

Total E - 7.4 - 7.8 / -2.6 / -2.2

 

[blake]

it often looks cheated and flung. She never seems to get enough height.

Same w/ McCusker’s version tbh. I don’t think the Fan will ever look as nice as a “normal” double front 1/2.

The Fan is less of a deduction pit than the DLO she was doing in Rio plus she can connect it out of a healy for CV (I assume, I never bothered to learn CV rules this quad lmao). Dismounts don’t seem to be her forte.

 

[Doug1233]

Yep the Ling to Fan gets a tenth in CV.

 

[Doug1233]

Are the full results out there anywhere?

Need to see the E / ND breakdown to populate the spreadsheet.

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[rlayt]

I was stalking a tumblr about Chinese gymnastics and found something Doug but you might already have:

 

[Doug1233]

Thanks for thinking of me! Yep already have that. Trying to find a full pdf with E scores (most of the time you can just subtract the D score from the total, but that wouldn’t show ND/OOB etc).

 

[Doug1233]

I had:

0.1 pause before the first tumble.

Nothing on the first tumble (in real time I couldn’t see crossed feet).

0.1 pause before the second tumble.

0.1 step on Double Tuck.

Excessive prep 0.1 and balance 0.1 on triple wolf.

Excessive prep 0.1 balance 0.1 precision 0.1 on double wolf.

0.1 step on barani.

0.1 loss of balance on double front attitude.

Nothing on double full.

Nothing on switch ring.

0.1 precision/body shape on switch half (it’s almost a straddle).

Apparatus deductions: 0.1 lack of variety in corners.

Artistry 0.2 (disconnected elements; insufficient complexity).

= 8.6 E Score

@Concorde @MRR @YurchenkoLoop @irichluck21 @Denn @anyoneelse?

any thoughts?

 

[Denn]

OMG. There’s not an excessive prep on those wolf spins. Someone on YouTube said the same thing and I wanted to scream.

first pass: crossed legs 1
double back: landing 1
triple wolf: bent leg push-off 1
double wolf: bent leg push-off 1 balance 1
layout half big step 3 1, I guess
double attitude spin posture 1, loss of balance 1, precision 1
no timing of passage with the music 1
back leg on split ring 1
split position 3

no complex choreo 1
not playing a character, etc. 1

8.4 E-score

What did they give her?
Once she gets that the

 

[Doug1233]

I gave her tons of pause/excessive prep. Before both her first two passes and before both her wolf spins.

 

[YurchenkoLoop]

I would deduct for crossed feet on the triple I think. I mean I think it looks great but ! lol

You’re harsh on the wolf turns methinks. She steps in time with the music to prep the triple. On the double, she clearly loses balance, but I don’t think a precision deduction should be taken on that second turn–she is intentionally completing her turn écarté to the audience, along the diagonal to the corner and into her front roll + choreo. Technically this is a proper double–in my mind anyway–because the free leg is bent and not yet in tuckstand for the first eighth of the turn regardless, to allow the gymnast to push off the beam. If you pause to that moment. I feel like there’s some creativity here that shouldn’t be punished. Before, during, and after her wolf turns, Ou is completely on time with her music in this routine^. That is some precise choreo

I think she has really creative corner choreo… maybe it’s a bit methodical, the paths she takes across the floor entirely? Very “to the book”. But I don’t mind it at all–my opinion is, this routine is one of the best being done today and this was excellent! I hadn’t seen this routine yet. Ou for AA silver <33

I would take .3 for the step on the double tuck. In my mind, the step on the Barani should only be a .1 because it’s a choreographed lunge, but I think I gotta take .3 there.

I wouldn’t deduct for disconnected elements or insufficient complexity either–Ou has the most syncopated choreo at the very end of her routine, immediately out of a turning leap. It leaves a big impression. She goes deduction free in artistry for me lol. I guess… I’d give her a 9.0? Lmao Ou for all the medals <3

 

[Doug1233]

0.3 steps must be 1 meter in length right? I don’t think either step out of the double tuck or the barani are 1 meter. She’s probably only 1 meter 30/40 in height!

I know she has a bent knee on the wolf turns but I don’t think the rule is “the turn starts when her leg is fully straight” is it? Is a double wolf turn with a bent knee considered a simple double turn? Obviously not. The fact her leg is bent is an execution deduction against the intended element. Unless you consider the bent knee intentional?

I guess this routine is an example of many minor issues which are borderline 0/1 and borderline 1/3. Theres probably a bunch of ways to reasonably evaluate the routine - and most reasonable evaluations would have it at a mid to high 8, right?

 

[YurchenkoLoop]

I’m thinking of the wolf turns like figure skating skills. The rotation in skating should begin when the toe pick/blade leaves the ice. The bent knee to initiate the wolf turn isn’t something I’d deduct, though. It’s kind of the mechanics of the takeoff, like bending your knees on a handspring.

But yes, all in all I’d think mid to high 8 certainly

 

[Doug1233]

But not everyone uses a bent knee to push off. And not everyone uses bent arms on a handspring. So it’s not necessary to complete the skill.

That’s like saying “crossed legs make twisting easier biomechanicslly so let’s not deduct crossed legs”, right?