D and E Panel Analysis - WAG EF

[Kittentoes]

I thought those fries were an ad, and kept trying to figure out how to get some.

 

[rlayt]

I could go for a bedtime snack.

 

[Denn]

I do plan to come back to judge all of the AA and EF contenders in the next couple of weeks. I never got to it early. Let’s see if I can change the standings! (Just kidding — I actually hope I don’t, but I do want to see if I agree.)

 

[rue_des_plantes]

Totez. I already told doug nobody needs his petty “deductions” smudging Chellz or Larizzza

Don’t worry, they all already got used on Gelya.

 

[JJS_5056]

This system is broken. Period. Despite screaming from the rooftops about ‘objectivity’ at the expense of rewarding aspects of the sport that are fundamental, we just had an OG where routines with very different composition and execution scored within tenths of each other.

The FIG/WTC are willingly letting the sport crumble, filled with unintelligent leadership / members, or both. Requiring turns / contorted leaps is not “artistic,” and downgrading them up to .20 for being .001 short is not “objective.” There’s NO way for the ‘same pen’ to be applied (human imperfection, viewing angles, gymnasts’ technique, etc.) across all close calls, and literally - who cares? Why were FX medalists at the 2021 OG determined by < 1/8 on a double turn or 1.5 twisting split leap?

It doesn’t take a math wizard to figure out you can’t have a system that rewards difficulty in .10 increments, but penalizes in .10 / .30 / .50 increments. You can come within shooting distance of the average routine’s final E score by subtracting -2.40 (8 [counting skills] x 3 [-.30 avg deduction[) off the top, and adjusting for above-average form or stuck landing (+.10 each), or bigger break (-.20 each). You end up with an 8.1 - 8.5 for almost every single routine. What’s the point?

We can’t have judges make subjective assessments (i.e., artistry), but the WTC don’t bother defining where the free leg in an ‘inward’ turn needs to be placed to be considered complete? Again, who cares? But, the lack of consistency is infuriating.

 

[YurchenkoLoop]

I’m generally pretty pleased with the scoring for WAG at the Games. I remember thinking Lu Yufei’s BB prelims score was questionable, and Murakami and Japan as a whole may’ve faced a stricter pen in TQ as well. I would like to know what artistry deductions Carey had, because I do think there should be ~.5 break between her and the likes of Murakami and Melnikova for artistry.

 

[Doug1233]

I feel like I’d like to put some more organised pressure on the FIG to release the full judges book (as they did for Rio) but I don’t know how.

A lot of our questions would be answered.

 

[cats]

The sport sure would be more legitimate if the actual full breakdowns were released.

I’m not sure how to go about pressing the FIG for this. Maybe another change.org, but it’s kind of hard to see one gathering enough steam. Also, as much as I really want to see the scores out there, I do think the FIG has to figure out a way to make sure the judges are safe first. After the situations in Tokyo with rhythmic and MAG… it just isn’t guaranteed. It’s one thing to just put up with people being mad on social media, but I really don’t want to see a judge get doxxed or harassed or hurt because a crazy fan isn’t over the Averina silver or something.

Maybe anonymizing the scores is an option. I don’t know enough about how assignments were handled to know if that would be enough.

 

[Doug1233]

I mean we would only be asking for the exact same report as was released for Rio, right? This is nothing new.

 

[cats]

I’m not saying it is. Maybe it’s just paranoia on my part.

 

[FrolovasDoubleLayout]

Doing a complete results book with E-scores (with artistry breakdown) included but with an anonymous format will mean removing things such as judges positions from the results books which is pointless as the initial book has positions listed. IF doing an anonymous format as an option, positions could be scrambled so there would be no federations/names attached to the information. If we are looking for transparency - then expunging/manipulating so much information really doesn’t lend itself to that.

 

[Jack]

The only thing that will get them to change is a judging scandal at the Olympics.

 

[YurchenkoLoop]

Didn’t they test out the computer judging at the Games? Would be so cool to know those results…

 

[Doug1233]

To be honest they could just say J1 J2 etc and just not list their names.

The bigger question is why don’t they want to release the individual scores as they did for Rio. What are they trying to hide?

 

[Doug1233]

Would shap 1/2 to Ezhova get collection bonus?

I’m guessing the swing forward to horizontal would kill the connection?

I’ve never thought about it.

 

[Denn]

No bonus.

 

[Doug1233]

I saw a video of Finnegan doing it.

 

[onodian]

I was just going to say, I’m sure we’ll see a fong girl do one in their routine then

 

[irichluck21]

Speaking of Aleah Finnegan, she is at LSU and training a Deltchev between the bars immediate connected from a Maloney. Pretty Cool!!

 

[dweiss324]

SO much better than L-shaped geingers.

ETA: And I seriously commend her for getting her a** above the bar. I hope she thrives in college it will be fun to watch her.