US National Team Camp - December 2024

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The last National Team Camp of 2024 and last Jr/Sr elite camp of the quad is happening now (Dec 2-5) at FlipFest in Crossville, TN.

I'm assuming it's just a skills camp so there's no info to be had other than who's attending.

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The first Senior National Team camp of the 2025-28 quad is just one month away, starting on January 6th (Juniors Jan. 9th)
 
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From USAG: December Women's National Team Camp
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A special thank you to National Team Clinician Ivan Ivanov who is taking a much deserved break from NT camps after 20 years of coaching!
 
A whip full through to double tuck?! My heart is singing with joy.
Big points in the new Code of Points. They've been trying to push it for a few Codes now, having set the whip full to C (which I think is overrated — it's NOT that hard), but they also raised C + D indirect to 0.2, so that combo is C + D + 0.2 now.
 
it is a cool pass! I would love to see a whip full immediate double back someday. Is the C+ E still .2 as well?
 
it is a cool pass! I would love to see a whip full immediate double back someday. Is the C+ E still .2 as well?
When I was coaching, we had Emily Parsons working whip full to immediate double pike! She never landed it on the floor mat but could do it onto stacked mats in the pit (at floor level).
 
it is a cool pass! I would love to see a whip full immediate double back someday. Is the C+ E still .2 as well?
Yes. if C + D indirect is 0.2, then of course C + E indirect OR direct will be 0.2 :-)
 
There no longer is any incentive to do whip full + double back directly connected.

This is another reason I think that this pass should not be C + D + 0.2 indirect. C + D + 0.1 is fine in my opinion. (And should a 1.5 through to a 2.5 twist or double back really be 0.2 bonus? The problem isn't the difficulty. The problem is that we have gymnasts tumble into corners.)
 
There no longer is any incentive to do whip full + double back directly connected.

This is another reason I think that this pass should not be C + D + 0.2 indirect. C + D + 0.1 is fine in my opinion. (And should a 1.5 through to a 2.5 twist or double back really be 0.2 bonus? The problem isn't the difficulty. The problem is that we have gymnasts tumble into corners.)
It’s not a problem. It means that you have to be good enough to do it with a minimal run. Which is what makes it difficult. Given unlimited space, no it’s not at all difficult for an elite gymnast.
 
It’s not a problem. It means that you have to be good enough to do it with a minimal run. Which is what makes it difficult. Given unlimited space, no it’s not at all difficult for an elite gymnast.
That was my point!
 
I love the idea of a vaulting runway but for tumbling passes, with gymnasts sprinting for about ten seconds before attempting their whip-full to double back... would certainly burn more calories!
 
LOL...

But as we have discussed before, changing the floor from a 12m by 12m square to something like an 18m by 8 rectangle would allow for another meter of tumbling length and a wider landing area that would drastically cut down on out of bounds deductions — yet an equal amount of dance space.
 
Why are out of bounds deductions a bad thing? Being able to do difficult tumbles with a minimal run is a significant differentiator between good and great
It's not so black and white.
A) TONS of gymnasts go out of bounds with reasonable runs on combinations passes as it is. The minute you do a 1.5 stepout, you're risking going out of bounds. Taller gymnasts have a much tougher time and have to cut some passes down compared to the shorter gymnasts.
B) MAG does not even have indirect combination passes because so many guys can't fit them on the floor. It's just not fair.
C) If you take a big step back, you already are getting slammed 0.3 or maybe more if it's multiple steps. We need a deduction for going out of bounds, yes, but why do SOOOO many passes need to push the boundary lines.
D) If you are crooked, you already are getting penalized for being crooked — it's a deduction. Getting deducted for going out of bounds because you are tumbling into a freaking corner is just redundant.
E) Nobody is sitting in the arena getting all excited about the 12-meter squared-shaped floor. Giving gymnasts a little more space and cutting out this stupid practice of tumbling into corners would not remove all deductions, but it would be a huge improvement.


ETA: One more reason. I'm so freaking sick and tired of commentators pointing out deductions for going out of bounds constantly as if it's the biggest crisis a floor routine could have. If going out of bounds was rarer, they might actually talk about the gymnastics itself.

And @Bob it's not about the "big tumbles". A triple pike can be done on a few steps by a reasonably tall gymnast, though he does sometimes risk OOB deductions for being slightly crooked. Landing without worrying about OOB deductions for being a little crooked as well as having an extra meter or so would make a world of difference in MAG.
 
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