Potential upgrades ahead of Worlds

[YurchenkoLoop]

The gainer stretched w/ 2 twists is rated E and the gainer tucked w/ 1.5 twists is rated D. I presume tucked w/ 2 twists would also be an E which is asinine

 

[blake]

Villa training a toe 1/1 before her release sequence. I hope it’s replacing that eagle 1/1 that was bleeding deductions.

 

[irichluck21]

Addison Fatta training a Cheng

 

[GymBeauty]

The gainer stretched w/ 2 twists is rated E and the gainer tucked w/ 1.5 twists is rated D. I presume tucked w/ 2 twists would also be an E which is asinine

Gainer 2/1 tuck will get a D rating. Backwards 1.5 and 2.0 twist skills with single salto have consistently been rated the same.

I miss good Amanars, but I don’t miss when everyone and their mother would just throw it up and hope for the best because of the difficulty advantage.

Amanar is not worth enough right now though, I’d like to see it bumped up a little. In general forward-landing vaults be worth more. Amanar + Mustafina vault combo is more difficult IMO than the now-standard Cheng + DTY.

How frequently some of these vaults get skipped in gymnasts’ progression is a sign of how hard it is to control forward layouts. Cheng herself skipped right past the 5-years-in-the-future Mustafina vault, Mustafina herself only managed the vault once, and how many forward-takeoff-and-landing layouts have we ever seen with good form? I think only Maroney and Biles have been able to manage it, and they both still had some major difficulties.

New start value proposal:

Yurchenko layout = 3.9
Yurchenko 1/2 = 4.4
FTY = 4.5
1.5 Yurchenko = 5.0
DTY = 5.3
Amanar = 5.8
3/1 Yurchenko = 6.4

1/2-on front layout or Lopez = 5.1
Mustafina = 5.6
Cheng = 5.8
Biles I = 6.3

Handspring forward layout or 1/2-out = 5.0
Handspring layout 1/1 = 5.5
Handspring Rudi = 5.7
Yeo = 6.2

Tsuk layout = 4.2
Tsuk 1/2 = 4.8
Tsuk 1/1 = 4.9
Tsuk 3/2 = 5.4
Tsuk 2/1 = 5.7
Tsuk 5/2 = 6.2

Note, all Tsuk vaults that use the “Kas” technique (1/4-on to the table and leaving the vault table sideways, instead of a proper 1/2-on entry) should be worth .2 less.

Produnova = 6.3
Biles II = 6.5

 

[onodian]

Villa training a toe 1/1 before her release sequence. I hope it’s replacing that eagle 1/1 that was bleeding deductions

I don’t think the one training the toe 1/1 is villa, though

 

[Yarotska]

I don’t think the one training the toe 1/1 is villa, though

It’s definitely Villa. That’s her normal composition just with a toe 1/1 at the start. And you can see her face clearer when she stops

 

[onodian]

But blake meant toe 1/1 into dismount

 

[Yarotska]

Did they? Or are you pulling a gaslight gatekeep girlboss on my unsuspecting person?

 

[Doug1233]

Never in a billion years. That’s not even close.

 

[RedBirdie]

In fairness, Addison agrees!

Don’t get me wrong still a lot more I need to work on. But it’s coming along!

 

[Gymfan93]

Andrade with the 2.5TY. It’s looking great, but I’m scared for her ACLs anyway.

 

[Hatsumomo]

Love it, but I want to see her controlling her landings so she doesn’t piss away a gold medal going OOB on every pass.

 

[Denn]

Andrade has done Amanars for years, though. She just saves them for when she really needs them.

 

[Gymfan93]

Yeah I guess it’s not officially an upgrade, but I hope we see a head to head Rebecca vs Simone in the VT final.

 

[YurchenkoLoop]

I wasn’t expecting the Amanar til next year. I too fear for her ACLs but she’s excellent and it looks great

 

[RedBirdie]

Suni Lee’s return probably knocks Zoe Miller’s slim worlds hope down to zero, but here’s Zoe showing a full twisting double layout on floor.

 

[GymBeauty]

Does anyone else have an opinion on which vault program is harder: Amanar + Mustafina vs. Cheng + DTY

 

[irichluck21]

Suni Lee’s return probably knocks Zoe Miller’s slim worlds hope down to zero, but here’s Zoe showing a full twisting double layout on floor.

Honestly, I don’t think Suni’s return means Zoe Miller’s chances are zero.
Still room for Miller on the team.

Suni’s return hurts Chiles and maybe even Carey IMO.

If Jones is looking good and Simone makes the team, there is still a spot on bars for TF.
Suni, Shilese, +1 and Zoe would be good for that spot if Simone’s bars aren’t up to TF quality.

Of course you could use Jordan on bars, but all depends on how much of a difference using Jordan over Zoe would be.
Even for team sake Suni, Simone, Shilese all AA and use use Zoe and either Chiles or Carey to fill in VT/BB/FX in TQ.

I still is unlikely that Zoe go for bars alone, but I wouldn’t say it is impossible.

Zoe has a much stronger chance to make the team probability wise than someone like Fatta or Roberson would.
Tiana and Blakely are in the same boat as Zoe in that they are strong on beam and that is another weak area for the US.

 

[RichardL]

I see Blakely getting overlooked as an AAer, too. She’s made improvements on all events, including learning a beautiful Lopez that looks upgradeable. Jones and Chiles are also more similarly matched than Chiles gets credit for, with their AA totals based on best scores per event at Worlds being almost identical. There are so many athletes bunched into this top group that any team selection is going to be wildly debated, but I also don’t see anyone in the top three all-around at Nationals (or at selection camp I guess?) being overlooked for the team, and any of at least 8+ athletes making the AA podium on any given day.

 

[Passion]

Does anyone else have an opinion on which vault program is harder: Amanar + Mustafina vs. Cheng + DTY

I feel like Cheng/DTY is easier to land because neither are a forward landing. Easier to stand up at least if you’re low.