FX EF INQUIRY (Jordan Chiles Stripped Of Bronze Medal/USAG launches appeal)

[RedBirdie]

Contrast Ana's statement with that of Camielia's.

 

[mnesiptolema]

Someone on Reddit tallied up the eleven cases where an Olympic medal has been stripped for something other than doping.



If the medal swap goes ahead, Jordan will be the only person to lose a medal through no fault of her own.

 

[arabiandoublefront]

Someone on Reddit tallied up the eleven cases where an Olympic medal has been stripped for something other than doping.



If the medal swap goes ahead, Jordan will be the only person to lose a medal through no fault of her own.

Horrific...what a nightmare for Jordan. It has been updated on the Olympics app now. I'm just so devastated.

 

[Laura722]

I am devastated for Jordan.

 

[MRR]

USOPC to appeal:

 

[Annie]

Ana is a class act.

She really is, and Jordan will also probably "benefit" from all of this in the long-term as the gymnast who was wronged. The only person not winning much ss Voinea, and her and her mum's reactions aren't going to help with that either.

 

[Sasha]

The more I think about this, the more I think the right decision would have been for the FIG to issue a mea culpa and award bronze to all three gymnasts, or two if they could provide compelling evidence of Voinea's OOB. I realise it's a bit of a stretch to have to prove an OOB, but the photo of her heel being above the line has really muddied the waters. This result is just too shitty to the athletes, who have done nothing wrong.

 

[QuietColours]

Does the CAS report indicate anywhere that someone was actually timing until the verbal inquiry was submitted, or are they piecing the timing together retrospectively?

 

[MaryClare]

USOPC to appeal:

They can appeal the decision to dismiss the proposal to share 3rd place, since all parties were agreeable to it. But they won’t be able to have scores changed, unless they’ve found some sort of ambiguity in the wording of the the 1 minute rule, possibly arguing that the final competitor should have up to 1.59 and the others until 2.59. They could also challenge the timing accuracy and verification process. But I would imagine their lawyers have already explored these things for the initial hearing.

It’s unlikely to happen, due to there being an athlete between them (Voinea). Which is likely the reason why it was dismissed in the first place. Voinea cannot appeal her score, she had the opportunity to inquire her ND and did not. She can’t do it a week late, any more than Jordan can inquire 4 seconds late.

 

[MaryClare]

The more I think about this, the more I think the right decision would have been for the FIG to issue a mea culpa and award bronze to all three gymnasts, or two if they could provide compelling evidence of Voinea's OOB. I realise it's a bit of a stretch to have to prove an OOB, but the photo of her heel being above the line has really muddied the waters. This result is just too shitty to the athletes, who have done nothing wrong.

They can’t award Voinea anything. Her situation whilst unfortunate, is irrelevant to the actual dispute. If you believe you have been score incorrectly, you need to appeal it within the given time.

In slow motion replay, maybe she didn’t go oob. But in slow motion replay, can the judges ignore her form errors? Inquiries can bring a score up or down.

 

[Doug1233]

A bad day to be a narcissist

 

[topcat]

USOGC have lodged an appeal of the CAS appeal of Jordan's appeal.

 

[MaryClare]

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Yeah, she is right though. Not that the situation bears any similarities, but she lost 2 gold medals to cheating. I’d still be bitter

 

[Caledi]

If the medal swap goes ahead, Jordan will be the only person to lose a medal through no fault of her own.

Dong Fangxiao's teammates also lose the medal through no fault of their own. (Whether Dong can be argued to be at fault is a different question that I don't want to wade into -- but the other members of the team weren't involved at all.)

 

[MaryClare]

Dong Fangxiao's teammates also lose the medal through no fault of their own. (Whether Dong can be argued to be at fault is a different question that I don't want to wade into -- but the other members of the team weren't involved at all.)

Technically they didn’t. The medal is awarded to China, who absolutely were at fault. We also don’t know that she was the only one underage, nor if her team mates were aware of her real age

 

[Doug1233]

What if this happened in TQ?

And it affected who competed in TF, merely 2 days later.

What the fuck would have happened if, say, Netherlands qualified in 8th due to a late appeal being wrongly accepted, and France came 9th.

By the time it got to CAS, TF was over. France didn’t compete.

This brings up a wider discussion about inquiries. It really needs to be fixed. Certainly, human error with respect to OOB and Time violations absolutely need to be eliminated. If Wimbledon can spot a ball going 1mm over a line at 130mph, gymnastics can fucking do a toe going OOB.

No one should ever need to appeal a wrong OOB deduction.

 

[Doug1233]

What if this happened in TQ?

And it affected who competed in TF, merely 2 days later.

What the fuck would have happened if, say, Netherlands qualified in 8th due to a late appeal being wrongly accepted, and France came 9th.

By the time it got to CAS, TF was over. France didn’t compete.

This brings up a wider discussion about inquiries. It really needs to be fixed. Certainly, human error with respect to OOB and Time violations absolutely need to be eliminated. If Wimbledon can spot a ball going 1mm over a line at 130mph, gymnastics can fucking do a toe going OOB

 

[Lisaelaine80]

What if this happened in TQ?

And it affected who competed in TF, merely 2 days later.

What the fuck would have happened if, say, Netherlands qualified in 8th due to a late appeal being wrongly accepted, and France came 9th.

By the time it got to CAS, TF was over. France didn’t compete.

This brings up a wider discussion about inquiries. It really needs to be fixed. Certainly, human error with respect to OOB and Time violations absolutely need to be eliminated. If Wimbledon can spot a ball going 1mm over a line at 130mph, gymnastics can fucking do a toe going OOB.

No one should ever need to appeal a wrong OOB deduction.

Yup this. I foresee scores taking forever now. Maybe all routines should just be judged in replay. Or less fucking dance elements.

I feel for all 3 athletes. When I watched, I thought Sabrina had the bronze. But I can’t be bothered with figuring out D-scores bc I can’t judge the leaps.

It should not be this complicated.

 

[MaryClare]

I mean, having judges sitting in the corners with a flag worked pretty well for 70 years

 

[Doug1233]

I mean, having judges sitting in the corners with a flag worked pretty well for 70 years

There’s been loads of bad OOB calls! Largely benefitting Khorkina