Brazil’s National Championships

[CameliasFingerpaint]

Usually (but not always) Brazil holds their championships in August.

I’m guess not that late this year because of a little meet happening in late July.

 

[irichluck21]

Brazilian Nationals have nothing to do with the Olympics.

In 2021, Brazilian Nationals were held September 29-October 3, way after Tokyo was completed.

In 2016, they were held November 8-13 way after Rio was completed.

If Brazil doesn't have them in August like they typically do, it is likely they do what they've done in an Olympic year and hold them in the fall.

 

[Hatsumomo]

When is Brazil's Olympic Trials?

 

[irichluck21]

Do they have an Olympic Trials? Or is a team just selected like GBR?

 

[Hatsumomo]

Good question. If they just choose the team like GBR, I'd pretty much go with last year's Worlds team.

 

[makam]

No new seniors making a splash? Or old seniors with a glow-up?

 

[irichluck21]

I am not sure how other countries qualify athletes to Olympics.
But (I think) USOC has it mandated that there needs to be an Olympic Trials.
IIRC, Marta wanted to do away with Olympic Trials and pick the team via selection committee. But USOC said no way, and the compromise was that a certain number of athletes were named to the team via Olympic Trials results, then the remainder of the team was named at selection camp.
2004 I believe it was Kupets and McCool that got named to the tem (but still had to show readiness.) Not 100% sure.

 

[Kara]

I am not sure how other countries qualify athletes to Olympics.
But (I think) USOC has it mandated that there needs to be an Olympic Trials.
IIRC, Marta wanted to do away with Olympic Trials and pick the team via selection committee. But USOC said no way, and the compromise was that a certain number of athletes were named to the team via Olympic Trials results, then the remainder of the team was named at selection camp.
2004 I believe it was Kupets and McCool that got named to the tem (but still had to show readiness.) Not 100% sure.

2004 was the worst, watching Hollie Vice and Marcia Newby (I think) break down while they announced the team at camp.

 

[MaryClare]

I am not sure how other countries qualify athletes to Olympics.
But (I think) USOC has it mandated that there needs to be an Olympic Trials.
IIRC, Marta wanted to do away with Olympic Trials and pick the team via selection committee. But USOC said no way, and the compromise was that a certain number of athletes were named to the team via Olympic Trials results, then the remainder of the team was named at selection camp.
2004 I believe it was Kupets and McCool that got named to the tem (but still had to show readiness.) Not 100% sure.

McCool really fucked things up for Marta by earning one of the automatic spots. Great AA back up, but no function in that format

 

[irichluck21]

2008 was bad too. Shawn and Nastia got the top 2 invite, but the committee could have and should have named Memmel and Sacramone to the team, as it was clear they were locks to the team. Instead they had to go to selection camp and we saw that they were both injured in Beijing as well as Peszek right before the meet began.
That team was overtrained, overworked, and run down.

 

[Hatsumomo]

I recall reading something on WWGym about how the USOC ended the previous compromise and said the team had to be announced at the Olympic Trials in 2012.

 

[Laura722]

I am not sure how other countries qualify athletes to Olympics.
But (I think) USOC has it mandated that there needs to be an Olympic Trials.
IIRC, Marta wanted to do away with Olympic Trials and pick the team via selection committee. But USOC said no way, and the compromise was that a certain number of athletes were named to the team via Olympic Trials results, then the remainder of the team was named at selection camp.
2004 I believe it was Kupets and McCool that got named to the tem (but still had to show readiness.) Not 100% sure.

Yes, they got the 2 automatic spots. Carly fell on beam both nights.

 

[makam]

I recall reading something on WWGym about how the USOC ended the previous compromise and said the team had to be announced at the Olympic Trials in 2012.

I think we are all grateful for that. It isn't like once a gymnast gets named to the team, they are going to go home and eat cheetos for the next month and never visit the gym.

 

[CameliasFingerpaint]

I recall reading something on WWGym about how the USOC ended the previous compromise and said the team had to be announced at the Olympic Trials in 2012.

And look at what happened in both 2012 and 2016. While neither team was completely fully intact, there were none of the same issues that plagued 2004 and 2008.

 

[RichardL]

And look at what happened in both 2012 and 2016. While neither team was completely fully intact, there were none of the same issues that plagued 2004 and 2008.

Those were some of the most clear-cut teams in the history of the sport, but yes.

 

[Aeris]

McCool really fucked things up for Marta by earning one of the automatic spots. Great AA back up, but no function in that format

McCool was a gorgeous gymnast who should've been top 3 for the team on bars at the very least. She was stuck without a 10 start value for no reason, all she needed was a jump to handstand mount. Ever since 1997 the lack of code awareness has killed so many peoples' chances. With only 9.8sv before the Olympics, the brilliant coaches tried to change her perfect double layout into a full twisting version to get her up to 9.9, one of the worst options possible. Her beam and floor were similarly plagued.

 

[navyblue]

So odd that Nationals is held post-olympics in some cases for Brazil.

I guess my actual question is... when can I watch Andrade compete again? No olympic trials?

 

[KathySantoni]

McCool really fucked things up for Marta by earning one of the automatic spots. Great AA back up, but no function in that format

So, lets say the rule does not exist and they make McCool alternate after finishing second at trials. Who gets her spot? Her scoring was…generous that year, it would have been hard justifying taking someone else.

 

[MaryClare]

So, lets say the rule does not exist and they make McCool alternate after finishing second at trials. Who gets her spot? Her scoring was…generous that year, it would have been hard justifying taking someone else.

It’s a tricky one, without taking hindsight into consideration. Plus the fact that the format didn’t really necessitate a 6 person team.

My guess is that the original intention when that team was picked, was to have McCool do BB and FX.

 

[irichluck21]

Schwikert was the likely pick.
She was normally someone who peaked at the right time.
Her bars for sure would have gone up in team finals instead of Patterson. I would have put Schwikert on beam (instead of Kupets) and floor too. Her leaps were almost always around.

Memmel was also an option but we didn't see her at Trials so no idea how she looked at camp.