2021 worlds Day 1 EFs

[Jerkin]

She also didn’t do the toe on 1/1 before the full in dismount, presumably because she had already added an extra element with the toe-on handstand.

That was a great save from her. The good news (and scary for the field) is that her UB execution is better than ever.

 

[RAFIKI]

Us watching rings

 

[RAFIKI]

My TV just asked if I was still here!

 

[YurchenkoLoop]

Luo doing an orphan 1/2 was likely the difference between bronze and fourth tho, given her previous KCH 1/2s

 

[Doug1233]

Luo is just so much more pleasing to watch. Desperately hope she can get gold on beam.

 

[Denn]

The chronology rule pisses me off. Damn busybody WAG rules. There is no reason why doing a toe-full at the end should be ignored if someone does a toe-on earlier. Just count the 3 hardest and keep life simple.

She’s fricking brilliant to make that adjustment though, because picking up a deduction on the toe-full with no D-score benefit would have knocked her down.

 

[arabiandoublefront]

Congrats to Stephen Nedoroscik for winning the PH title!

 

[QuietColours]

It is much more fun to watch live with everyone, but when I saw the runtime for this competition, I was glad I turned off my alarm last night. I don’t see a good reason forty routines to take that long–and it seems like the finals themselves moved pretty well, it was just all the medal ceremonies

 

[irichluck21]

Iorio got hosed. I had her with the bronze. But then again I had Urasova as the bars winner and she was 7th.

The angle was rough to watch from the Olympic Channel broadcast.

Wei should definitely not be UB champion, Andrade should have a second gold.

Luo has beautiful body line and execution, but the terrible trio not knowing how judging works was ridiculous. She has built in deductions in her pirouettes and the geinger was super flat.

 

[Doug1233]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16IvJ4DeYiyUbcNiwfL2K5OKIojCQiYVm-J-Sx8xH75U/edit#gid=1176997697

We have some issues with the UB standings…

I had Luo in gold, Andrade in silver, and Iorio in bronze.

Would be good to get as many judges as possible to weigh in on these UB scores.

 

[YurchenkoLoop]

Rich and Doug, where’d you videos??? I’ve only seen like 4 routines on twitter

 

[Doug1233]

NBCSN have a Day 1 replay online, if you have cable?

 

[ArnoldRimmer]

Luo Rei’s score confused me. She seemed better certainly than Wei Xiaoyuan to me, though I accept that the angle may affect things. People have been speculating on twitter etc that she was deducted for hitting the bar rather than it being counted as just a brush, but she scored quite similarly in qualification without brushing so I’m not sure how that would’ve worked. The gienger is, admittedly, a ridiculous skill choice and a total deduction pit.

I also loved Iorio’s routine.

 

[YurchenkoLoop]

Luo Rui bars

Pak - height .1, angle of completion .3
Gienger - height .3, under-rotation .1, bent arms catch .1
KCH - adjustment .1
1/2 turn - precision/alignment .1
Healy - precision/alignment .1
Piked Jaeger - height .1, bent arms catch .1
Lone 1/2 - short handstand .1

8.6

also adore Iorio’s bars

 

[blake]

really great ub final. only Minaeva replacing one of the Russians and Andrade winning could have improved it for me. Vault was kinda bleak aside from Andrade.

I hope the FIG takes note that we’ve had 1 WAG fall in two EFs since reinstating touch warmups. I’m predicting 3 falls, including a wolf turn gone awry.

 

[Starsky]

There is no deduction for brush on apparatus if gymnast maintains rhythm.

 

[Doug1233]

Fwd swing - brush on apparatus .3

OK, so I didn’t take this.

See Page 21 here. "Note that the deduction for "Brushing/touching apparatus/mat, but not falling
against" does not exist anymore"

Curiously, what has remained in the Code is “Hit on apparatus with feet” (0.5) (see Part 11.6 row 3 here).

This is quite obviously confusing.

In any event, the deduction is not 0.3. It’s either a brush (no deduction) or a hit (and 0.5).

To be perfectly honest, I didn’t even notice it until Reddit started screaming about it. If anything, to me, it was a brush at most. Therefore no deduction. And an 8.6 (I see that we agree, sans this point).

Happy to be pointed to another provision of the Code or the Help Desk that I’m missing here.

 

[YurchenkoLoop]

Hmm that link won’t open. Can you send as a screenshot? What I have from the 2017-2020 CoP is

Edit: I got the Help Desk to open, the UB example provided is:

UB –Gymnast lands, steps uncontrolled toward UB apparatus and brush an upright of the base
or brush mat with hand (not support): landing deductions and maybe deduction for
dismount too close to the apparatus

my thinking is this wouldn’t apply to hitting your feet during a giant swing…

DOUBLE EDIT: ah I see I was looking at an outdated copy of the 2017-202[1] CoP because yours says

ok then I have Luo at an 8.6

 

[Doug1233]

DOUBLE EDIT: ah I see I was looking at an outdated copy of the 2017-202[1] CoP because yours says

Yes the Help Desk specifically says “brush” deductions are gone. And if you Ctrl+F the word “brush” from the Codei itself, its been deleted.

Before you change your score to an 8.6 - we still don’t know what the difference between a “hit” and a “brush” is. It seems assinine that a judge must decide whether a certain contact is a “brush” or a “hit” and the result of that decision changes their E Score by half a point. Doesn’t seem right.

I have a vague recollection of seeing one of those "Help Desk’ FIG videos (with the horror show music at the end) where they use Komova’s 2012 UB EF hit on the low bar as an example and it said “NO DEDUCTION” in big words underneath. And that the rule is that you only deduct for hit if it affects the gymnast (for example, it changes their swing, their direction or their speed of the giant). But I can’t find it. I hope it wasn’t an intense judging dream I had (although I cannot rule it out…)

 

[YurchenkoLoop]

I watched a video with that Komova clip earlier today but it was fan-made so I didn’t trust it hahaha!! I was ignoring the twitter ppl all because I was looking at my outdated copy all day

I considered taking .1 for Luo’s bent arms on the Maloney regrasp–very minor–but then I would’ve had her at 8.2 and that felt too evil for her beautiful work. But I’m fine with the 8.6

I would say this was definitely only a brush and not a hit because the rhythm was not broken. Wei’s 8.233 is the lowest E score for an UB champ, next lowest being a 8.466 from Fan in 2015 as a part of the four-way tie