Sanne Wever’s insane new skill

[Dex]

For the simple fact that the current gymnasts, besides his daughters, three others, want to train with him and want him to go to Tokyo with them… in this year, for now, it should be their choice.
Vera, Sanne, Lieke and Naomi are adults, they made their decision.
Besides that, Vincent coached lots of girls, he is accused by a far minority. Should their claims be ignored? NO! He will get his due if that is deserved, once is found guilty for the things he is charged for. Right now that is not the case so he deserves to coach his gymnasts at the Olympics.
This IMO is a panic attack by the federation that, for years and years ignored the abuse that was taking place. They want to show the world that they are taking charge, making the current gymnasts victims in their process.
Besides this Vincent never denied that he made mistakes in the past but also stated, supported with statements from the federation and current gymnasts, that he was educated in the ,ast 10 or so years and drasticly changed his coaching methods.
Again, if found guilty he should be punished, as for now he is still innocent and has the support of his current gymnasts, that should do for now

 

[FrolovasDoubleLayout]

While in theory I can understand everything that you say, in the eyes of the law, there is always a power dynamic between trainer and athlete - one can argue that in some instances there is an almost a “Stockholm Syndrome” where the athlete(s) is(are) believing that they cannot succeed without their “creator” at their side(s) so of course they will say or do whatever they think is necessary.

The culture of sport in the Western world in changing - but slowly. In the best scenario, the trainer will be there to guide and give advice/assistance to the athlete but allowing the athlete to make the final decisions and hopefully be accountable for their choices. However, in this scenario there is always possibility for “blow back”. If the athlete does not have success then sometimes they do not WANT to take accountability for their choices, and in the case of child/young adult athletes there is the question of whether or not they even possess the emotional ability to make such choices.

For me, I am happy to see that there are older athletes who are staying at the elite level because they (hopefully) should have the emotional capacity to make choices and take accountability.

In regard to the innocent until proven guilty statement, I would hate to be the arbitrator who made the decision to allow someone to continue and then have them commit (again?) the offence of which they have been accused of originally. It will really start to deplete the sport (sports in general).

 

[Doug1233]

I see your point. But this happens in all walks of life.

People charged with all manner of crimes get out on bail. Theoretically, they can walk out of the courthouse and go and repeat the crime (or worse) on a new person, before the first crime has been adjudicated. But that’s the price we pay for a system of the presumption of innocence.

You would hope that any person in their right mind, who is on bail, or is under investigation, knows that they are under stricter scrutiny, and that any subsequent bad behaviour would 1) be found out easier, and 2) would be dealt with more harshly because “repeat offenders” always get a worse punishment.

 

[audie83]

With a half turn (180°) to re-grasp - that’s not really the way that Nina performs it, does she? Unlike Sanne, who turns in mid-air BEFORE the re-grasp. I hate that they’ve given Wever’s version an H. Imo, a free-hip to Nabieva (harder than the toe-on version), should be an H, the free-hip Nabieva half should’ve been an I! Oh well, I just hope Sanne performs it successfully to get it named for her! And I wonder who will get the free-hip Nabieva (without the turn!), named for them! I mean, since Sanne skipped over that and went right for the half version! I wonder if either Nina or Sunisa could pull it off!

 

[rlayt]

I was listening to a podcast analysis of how they do it differently and the code doesn’t distinguish between the two. They said Nina catches before the twist with a crossed grip then turns whereas Sanne turns before the regrasp.

 

[YurchenkoLoop]

Before she debuted her Wevers with 1/2 turn, she trained the skill w/o turn. Maybe that’ll be incorporated into her routine. There really is no good way to assemble a routine with both Nabieva + Pak and Nabieva 1/2 + Ezhova. The best route – in terms of scoring – seems to be doing a lone Nabieva, KCH, and then Nabieva 1/2 + Ezhova, as Derwael does.

 

[audie83]

Gorgeous! And Sanne gets enough height to clear the bar AND point her toes - like Nabieva!

 

[Doug1233]

I mean, you could always construct something that would work:

Nabieva - Pak - Stalder Shap - Stalder 1/1 - Nab 1/2 - Ezhova - Stalder Shap 1/2 1.0
Full Out

GDDDHDED 1.0 = 7.0

 

[audie83]

I like that set a lot! 7.0 - HUGE D score! Supremely difficult of course, but relatively short set I think! Not too much time to get into trouble!

 

[Doug1233]

You could put a Giant between the Stalder 1/1 and the Nabz 1/2 and you’d only lose a tenth. Probably would make it a little easier.

 

[YurchenkoLoop]

I’m a skeptic that anyone could pull that routine off. The endurance to do a Nabieva 1/2 halfway thru, and after a pirouette no less? The giant may be more feasible, but still…tired arms.

 

[dweiss324]

Thanks Doug, you probably just prescribed the only routing we’ll see from the top bar prospects for the next 4 years

 

[Empress_Sato]

Nina won’t be performing the skill at the Olympics and will change her routine:

 

[YurchenkoLoop]

Taken from your link,

“Nina will NOT be competing the Nabieva to mixed grip in Tokyo. « there was discussion in the world of the judges about the value of that new element. Derwael: ‘We sent videos and emails last week, but disagreements persist…’”

Oh shit. The source of that thread says she’s replacing the Derwael (Nabieva half) with the Derwael-Fenton and adding another Tkachev. The article shared says Derwael is going back to a familiar but less successful routine from 2019, and our belgiangymnerd believes that would be her European Games routine which she fell on.

the routine is at 1:57:10


Nabieva G
Downie F
Derwael-Fenton + Ezhova + Chow + Pak + Van Leeuwen FDDDE .6 (in the video, Nina has a scary fall onto her back, missing her grip completely)
Toe 1/1 + Full out DD .1
GFFEDDDD 4.0 + 2.0 + .7 = 6.7

Isn’t the Derwael (Nabieva half) already named after her as an H? Are they going to revalue the element???

 

[glamafonic]

I assume they were arguing because Derwael wants a higher value and so contested it and lost. So she’s taking it out because it’s not worth it.

 

[YurchenkoLoop]

Higher than an H?

 

[onodian]

Yeah, what were they hoping for? Seems pretty illogical if you ask me, considering how all other releases go. Sanne should be saying this, not Nina

 

[audie83]

Whoa! That came out of left field! Well, anyway, I just hope the very best bars workers in the world make the Olympic bars final! And make bars final or no, I hope Sanne successfully performs her free-hip Nab 1/2 at the Games, and gets it named for her! It’s my new favorite UB release!

 

[RedBirdie]

Not sure why they thought it should be higher. It follows the typical progression.

And never mind that they should be counting their lucky stars they consider that a different skill. It’s very easy to argue that she’s doing two Nabievas, because there’s absolutely zero attempt at the half turn until after she catches the bar.

 

[Dex]

In 40 minutes the second Dutch qualification starts. Curious to see if Sanne will again attempt this new skill combination. You can watch on www.eyecons.com (have to create a free account).
I really hope Elze kills it kn vault and floor and places first on both. When taking Sanne, they need a VT and FX specialist to compliment her…