Men Proposed changes to MAG COP - official FIG draft

[OnoNoKomachi]

The FIG was nice enough to share a proposed draft of the 2025 COP with the changes highlighted

https://www.ngja.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Current-Code-Changes-for-2025.pdf

I’d say the change to 8 skills in MAG is coming this time.

I used to be against this, but not anymore.

It should help in NCAA. GymACT has already gone to 8 skills.

 

[JDB]

I’m looking forward to rings and pommel horse routines with an eight skill count.

 

[OnoNoKomachi]

GymACT already went down to 8 skills.

I like that Jrs, GymACT, NCAA, and elite will all have the same # of skills.

Some of the rest of it will take getting used to.

 

[Rich]

how many is it now?

 

[OnoNoKomachi]

NCAA is 10
GymACT and Jr is 8

 

[Denn]

I’m generally very happy.

The only things I DON’T like are:

1. Stop messing around with vault groups. Make groups that make sense and offer bonuses for variety of vault 2 compared to vault 1. easy.
2. I don’t think it should be REQUIRED to do a scale or double salto dismount on floor
3. Leave the Kroll and 1.5-double back on rings alone.
4. Leave swing handstand on Pbars alone.

 

[tempest]

Is this the official document of the changes?

2025 Changes to the COP | Flipped Decisions

A comprehensive resource that lists the major differences between the 2025 and 2022 FIG Code of Points for Men’s Gymnastics.

www.flippeddecisions.com

 

[Denn]

Is this the official document of the changes?

2025 Changes to the COP | Flipped Decisions

A comprehensive resource that lists the major differences between the 2025 and 2022 FIG Code of Points for Men’s Gymnastics.

www.flippeddecisions.com

No, that's an unofficial breakdown of the changes (very well done, btw). The official draft is linked on that page, though.

 

[OnoNoKomachi]

Either this isn't actually the final draft or the FIG isn't going to change a lot of the vault D scores.
I hope this one is real

• I.44 Yamawaki = B (not C)
• I.45 Johansson = C (not D)
• II.4 Inverted Cross = D (not C)

But stick bonus - yuck.

I give that one or two years before something blows up. The most common complaints from coaches about men's NCAA judging was about the NCAA stick bonus. Just wait - some medal placing will be decided because someone forgot to give SB, or there is debate about if the gymnast actually stuck.

Just wait.

 

[makam]

And is someone windmilling their arms really that much more aesthetically pleasing than taking a small step or hop that it deserves a bonus?

 

[OnoNoKomachi]

And is someone windmilling their arms really that much more aesthetically pleasing than taking a small step or hop that it deserves a bonus?

It is in the men's NCAA. This is how their SB works. All they have to do is plant their feet on the floor - they can even get a landing deduction. And why just the dismount? Why not bonus for some other skill done perfectly (which I guess would be the old V.)

 

[Denn]

In addition to what was already said, the stick bonus is redundant to the execution deduction for landings.

I do appreciate the attempt to reward a stick more, though.

 

[rlayt]

If they reward a stick soon they will start to deduct windmilling arms. Like makam said it isn’t pretty.

 

[CameliasFingerpaint]

Did they actually set parameters for what a stick is? Is it going to be added to the e-score or a separate bonus like an ND?

 

[Denn]

Did they actually set parameters for what a stick is? Is it going to be added to the e-score or a separate bonus like an ND?

Added to the D-score.

 

[OnoNoKomachi]

Added to the D-score.

The men's NCAA does it this way.

 

[tempest]

In WAG they won't return the controlled lunge on FX because supposedly it was too hard to decide if it was controlled or not but now in MAG, they will debate if the landing is stuck or not? LOL

 

[CameliasFingerpaint]

In WAG they won't return the controlled lunge on FX because supposedly it was too hard to decide if it was controlled or not but now in MAG, they will debate if the landing is stuck or not? LOL

Well, judging by NCAA it is apparently hard to determine…