Golgotha Files Abuse Complaint with FRG

[youwannacranson]

1) There were some really serious interviews Patrick gave to the public before Antwerp

Do you know if these still exist? I'd love to see them. I love his interview after quals where he is very candid

 

[ArnoldRimmer]

I'm new and just joined Gymnaverse because this seems to be the only place people have serious discussions about it. I have a Gymcastic subscription and this came up during BTS, in which the style was more of a closed-door casual sharing session - some people on R had been treating this as a 'journalistic reporting' which is ridiculous but this was how Jessica started:
'The rumor that we had heard (about Sabrina's Antwerp vault) ... I've not been able to independently confirm but I have been told by 3 sources specifically that was intentional to sabotage the team' 'I never reported before because I hadn't been able to independently verify it from sources.' 'It's a hard thing to prove so I'm hesitant to say about this but it becomes more plausible after I see what happens recently'

To me - this is an utterly impossible to verify claim because Sabrina would be the only person in the world that actually knew what happened, regardless of whether Camelia had accidentally expressed or revealed this intention to the team about it or not.

Thanks for setting out the wording.

It's vague, likely on purpose. I'd be surprised if someone in Jessica's position would just make this up, so I expect there are 3 different sources. But 3 people who witnessed a discussion between the two at the time and came forward independently would obviously be really different to Camelia having told Person A this later on, who repeated it to Person B, who repeated it to Person C. Or even Person A having surmised this/made it up and then Persons B, C and D having truthfully reported what Person A told them.

I suspect the majority wouldn't put it past Camelia if she thought it was doable and in Sabrina's interest. So it's more about the practicalities. Looking at who was still to compete, it was more likely than not that Sabrina wasn't going to be passed for that spot if she were eligible. But things like mid routine injuries in big teams, people bombing qualifications and judges getting weirdly loose in later rotations do happen. It also raises the question of why not throw beam too.

https://gymnasticsresults.com/results/2023/worlds/documents/wag/slwag.pdf

But again, is this stupid and did it happen are two different questions. I'm going to continue to withhold judgement. Agree we can't treat this as journalistic reporting.