FX EF INQUIRY (Jordan Chiles Stripped Of Bronze Medal/USAG launches appeal) PART 2

[onodian]

A system of reference. Might very well be that it would have been better to have the other one, but I feel a system is better than pulling up random vids, frankly

 

[Matilda23]

What will happen next with this? USA wrote CAS a letter and provided some evidence to support their claim that inquiry was on time.
Does CAS need to respond? Can CAS change their original decision? (This may have been mentioned already but there so many replies on this thread).

 

[Memphisgym]

One the FIG isn't even using themselves?

It ultimately boils down to whether verbally requesting the inquiry or someone pressing the button to signal an inquiry was requested counts as "filing an inquiry".

So it doesn't matter when you requested an inquiry, it matters when the inquiry was recorded?

Yeah, that's a very weak argument, especially when we're discussing 4 seconds. Very interested in seeing how the Swiss court responds.

 

[Passion]

I told you. Finally something sensible

All the vertical cameras did was mark her OOB for swinging her foot choreography over the blue without ever touching it. They just registered body part over blue, must be OOB. But you have to touch to be OOB and she didn’t.

 

[Passion]

Imagine if after all of this, the time stamped evidence USAG has is that tweet from the Hawaiian girl the other day who DM’d Cecile.

 

[heythere]

What will happen next with this? USA wrote CAS a letter and provided some evidence to support their claim that inquiry was on time.
Does CAS need to respond? Can CAS change their original decision? (This may have been mentioned already but there so many replies on this thread).

From what I've read the original decision will not be changed. If the appeal is accepted, we will have a new trial. This will be an appeal based on procedures. Probably the Americans will argue that they didn't have enough time to prepare a defense, the hearings were delayed 2 days, but they still could argue that it wasn't enough time. They could also argue that the judges were biased.
If the appeal is accepted, the only way I see the Americans win is if they prove that the official Omega time keeping is unreliable. Good luck with that.

 

[Seyonne]

So an OOB requires a touch not just breaking the plane?

 

[Passion]

Why not move the posts from heythere’s new article (#1326) on over here and put a message at the end of that thread with a link to this thread?

I can’t quote anything from that thread to pull it to this thread because locking the thread took the reply and quote options away.

 

[rlayt]

DONE.

 

[RedBirdie]

So an OOB requires a touch not just breaking the plane?

Correct. A gymnast must touch the OOB area, not just break the plane. Breaking the plane is allowed and just fine. Physically touching the OOB area is not.

 

[JaJa]

So an OOB requires a touch not just breaking the plane?

Yes. It requires a touch

 

[onodian]

yes, I'm sure lots of people arm-wave beyond the area before they go into awkward stork position

 

[heythere]

The garbage vertical cameras were saved by mother Voinea, that's an extra reason to love her. You got to admire her for always finding a way to enter our hearts.

 

[ArnoldRimmer]

Imagine if after all of this, the time stamped evidence USAG has is that tweet from the Hawaiian girl the other day who DM’d Cecile.

Genuinely torn on whether that would make this ongoing fiasco worse or better.

 

[Doug1233]

It ultimately boils down to whether verbally requesting the inquiry or someone pressing the button to signal an inquiry was requested counts as "filing an inquiry".

It wouldn’t surprise me at all if it was the latter lol.

 

[Doug1233]

From what I've read the original decision will not be changed. If the appeal is accepted, we will have a new trial. This will be an appeal based on procedures. Probably the Americans will argue that they didn't have enough time to prepare a defense, the hearings were delayed 2 days, but they still could argue that it wasn't enough time. They could also argue that the judges were biased.
If the appeal is accepted, the only way I see the Americans win is if they prove that the official Omega time keeping is unreliable. Good luck with that.

If they can show the inquiry was requested at 47s, surely the issue comes down to proving the human error of the D jury pressing the “I have received an inquiry” button too late. not an issue with the time keeping system itself.

 

[Laura722]

This is crazy.

Why? I figured they had a system for keeping time.

 

[heythere]

If they can show the inquiry was requested at 47s, surely the issue comes down to proving the human error of the D jury pressing the “I have received an inquiry” button too late. not an issue with the time keeping system itself.

You wonder why they didn't prove that at CAS.

 

[MaryClare]

You wonder why they didn't prove that at CAS.

Because they asked for extra time to gather evidence and it was denied?

 

[heythere]

Because they asked for extra time to gather evidence and it was denied?

They allowed 2 extra days for them.