2024 Olympics: Judge This Routine (Breaking Down the Deductions/Compiling Start Value)

[Concorde]

Can we do a comparative Carey vs Andrade DTY? You know, cause we haven't had reasons for outrage lately

In advance of vault finals...

Simone Biles - Vault, Yurchenko Double Pike / Biles II

• (Leg separation in preflight) 0.1
• (Bent knees) 0.1
• (Flexed feet) 0.1
• (Large step on landing) 0.3

Total Deductions - (0.6) / E Score - 9.40

Total Score - 6.4 + 9.4 = 15.80 (Actual - 6.4 + 9.40 = 15.80)

Simone Biles - Vault, Cheng

• (Shoulder angle during repulsion) 0.1
• (Leg separation during repulsion) 0.1
• (Slightly crossed legs / feet) 0.1
• (Insufficient height / Good rise from vault table, but doesn't maintain height through the vault the same way Andrade does) 0.1 ^
• (Failure to maintain stretched position) 0.1
• (Large step on landing) 0.3
• (Additional movement on landing) 0.1

Total Deductions - (0.8 - 0.9) / 9.10 - 9.20

Total Score - 5.6 + 9.1 / 9.2 = 14.70 / 14.80 (Actual - 5.6 + 9.20 = 14.80)

Jade Carey - Vault, Cheng

• (Leg separation during preflight) 0.1
• (Staggered hand placement) 0.1
• (Shoulder angle during repulsion) 0.1
• (Bent arms during repulsion) 0.1
• (Bent knees during repulsion) 0.1
• (Body alignment during flight phase) 0.1
• (Insufficient height) 0.1
• (Failure to maintain stretched position) 0.1
• (Deviation from straight direction) 0.1
• (Hop on landing) 0.1

Total Deductions - (1.0) / 9.00

Neutral Deductions

Step over border marking (0.1)

Total Score - 5.6 + 9.00 - 0.1 ND = 14.50 (Actual - 5.6 + 9.166 - 0.1 ND = 14.666)

Jade Carey - Vault, Double Twisting Yurchenko

• (Leg separation during preflight) 0.1
• (Shoulder angle during repulsion) 0.1
• (Body alignment) 0.1
• (Deviation from straight direction) 0.1
• (Landed with feet apart) 0.1
• (Large hop on landing) 0.3

Total Deductions - (0.8) / 9.20

Total Score - 5.0 + 9.2 = 14.20 (Actual - 5.0 + 9.20 = 14.20)

Rebeca Andrade - Vault, Cheng

• (Leg separation during preflight) 0.1
• (Deviation from straight direction) 0.1
• (Failure to maintain stretched position) 0.1 ^ (began piking a little closer to vertical than ideal, but I am fine with no deduction as well)
• (Large hop on landing) 0.3

Total Deductions - (0.5 / 0.6) / 9.40 / 9.50

Neutral Deductions

Step over border marking (0.1)

Total Score - 5.6 + 9.40 / 9.50 - 0.1 ND = 14.90 / 15.00 (Actual - 5.6 + 9.400 - 0.1 ND = 14.900)

Rebeca Andrade - Vault, Double Twisting Yurchenko

• (Underrotation of salto without fall) 0.1 ^ (My visual cue here is how the torso is forward and a bit in front of her knees)
• (Deviation from straight direction) 0.1
• (Large hop on landing ) 0.3

Total Deductions - (0.4 - 0.5) / 9.50 - 9.60

Total Score - 5.0 + 9.5 / 9.60 = 14.50 / 14.60 (Actual - 5.0 + 9.466 = 14.466)

E-Score Rankings Without Factoring in Landing Deductions for Hops/Steps

1. Andrade - 9.7 / 9.8(Cheng) and 9.8 / 9.9 (DTY)
2. Biles - 9.5 / 9.6 (Cheng) and 9.7 (Biles II)
3. Carey - 9.1 (Cheng) and 9.5 (DTY)

 

[onodian]

Are you doing the biles ii from tf here?

 

[Concorde]

Are you doing the biles ii from tf here?

All of these are from qualifications. Biles vaulted a Cheng in team finals. Her podium training vault would have likely been in the 9.6 / 9.7 range.

 

[onodian]

Sorry, I meant AA...

 

[Concorde]

Flavia TF vault
Rebeca TF beam

Please and Thank you

Flavia Saraiva - Vault, Double Twisting Yurchenko

• (Leg separation during preflight) 0.1
• (Insufficient height / good rise off table, but not well maintained) 0.3
• (Leg separation during flight phase / On second twist) 0.1
• (Bent knee / On second twist) 0.1
• (Failure to maintain stretched position) 0.1
• (Underrotation of salto without fall) 0.1
• (Landing posture / head at hip height) 0.1
• (Insufficient dynamics) 0.1
• (Landed with feet apart) 0.1
• (Large step on landing) 0.3

Total Deductions - (1.4) / 8.60

Total Score - 5.0 + 8.6 = 13.60 (Actual - 5.0 + 8.90 = 13.90)

Rebeca Andrade - Balance Beam, Team Final

D Score

DV - Acro

1. Layout Stepout, C
2. Aerial, D
3. Side Aerial, D
4. Double Pike Dismount, E

Total Acro DV - 1.6

DV - Gymnastic

1. Switch Leap Mount, D
2. Switch Leap ½, D
3. Split Ring Jump, D
4. Switch Ring Leap, E

Total Dance DV - 1.7

CV / SB

C + C Dance

1. Switch Leap + Switch Leap ½, 0.1

D + D Dance / Mixed

1. Aerial + Split Ring Jump, 0.2

D + B Mixed

1. Split Ring Jump + Back Handspring Stepout, 0.1

Series Bonus

1. Switch Leap + Switch Leap ½ + Split Jump, 0.1
2. Aerial + Split Ring Jump + Back Handspring Stepout, 0.1

Total CV / SB - 0.6

Dismount Bonus

Double Pike, E

Dismount Bonus - 0.2

CR

1. Connection of at least two different dance elements, 1 with 180 degree split (Switch Leap + Switch Leap ½ + Split Jump)
2. Turn (Full Turn)
3. Acro series of two flight elements, one salto (Back Handspring Stepout + Layout Stepout)
4. Acro elements in different directions (Back Handspring Stepout, Aerial)

Total from CR - 2.0

D Score - 3.3 + 0.6 + 0.2 + 2.0 -> 6.1

Elements or Connections Not Credited and Modifications to Planned Routine

- None

Credited D Score - 3.3 + 0.6 + 0.2 + 2.0 -> 6.1

E Score

Potential Execution Deductions

1. Switch Leap Mount
a. Body shape / Insufficient split (0.1)
b. Small balance adjustment (0.1)

2. Switch Leap + Switch Leap ½
a. Poor rhythm of connection (0.1)

3. Switch Leap ½
a. Body shape / Insufficient split (0.1)

4. Switch Leap ½ + Split Jump
a. Poor rhythm of connection (0.1)

5. Split Jump
a. Body shape / Insufficient split (0.1)

6. Layout Stepout
a. Medium balance adjustment / Step backward and movement of torso and arms (0.3)

7. Aerial
a. Flexed foot (0.1)

8. Aerial + Split Ring Jump
a. Poor rhythm of connection (0.1)

9. Split Ring Jump
a. Body shape / Foot at head height (0.1)

10. Switch Ring Leap
a. Body shape / Foot at head height (0.1)
b. Large balance adjustment / Bent torso with head at knee level (0.5)

11. Side Aerial
a. Flexed feet (0.1)

12. Double Pike
a. Hop on landing (0.1)

Total Deductions - 2.0

Potential Artistry Deductions

1. Insufficient involvement of the body parts (0.1)
2. Insufficient variation in rhythm and tempo in movements (0.1)
3. Poor footwork (0.1)

Total Artistry Deductions - 0.3

E Score - 7.7

Total Score: 6.1 + 7.7 = 13.8 (Actual - 6.1 + 8.033 = 14.133)

 

[Hatsumomo]

I'll give you cookies for Rebeca Andrade's EF vaults

 

[RAFIKI]

I’d be interested in An’s DTY please. It felt underscored relative to other DTYs, however I was on the other side of the arena and up high so I didn’t get a great view. I’m so used to routines appearing on twitter straight away for analysis. The Olympic copyright machine and needing to VPN from specific devices means I’ve barely seen anything twice.

Was it the jump/leap combo BB CR that Downie missed in TF? Haven’t seen either of her beams again to compare.

 

[Concorde]

I’d be interested in An’s DTY please. It felt underscored relative to other DTYs, however I was on the other side of the arena and up high so I didn’t get a great view. I’m so used to routines appearing on twitter straight away for analysis. The Olympic copyright machine and needing to VPN from specific devices means I’ve barely seen anything twice.

Was it the jump/leap combo BB CR that Downie missed in TF? Haven’t seen either of her beams again to compare.

I have added An to my list.

For Downie, I have not seen her routine from qualifications, but it looks like she was credited with everything that she attempted in team finals.

Acro DV

1. Side Aerial, D
2. Aerial, D
3. Side Somi, D
4. 1 1/2 Twist Dismount, C

Total Acro DV - 1.5

Dance DV

1. Switch Leap Mount, D
2. Switch Leap 1/2, D
3. Straddle Jump, B
4. Switch Leap, C

Total Dance DV - 1.3

CV

- None

Dismount Bonus

1 1/2 Twist, C -> None

CR

1. Connection of at least two different dance elements, 1 with 180 degree split (Switch Leap ½ + Straddle Jump or Switch Leap + Full Turn)
2. Turn (Full Turn)
3. Acro series of two flight elements, one salto (Side Aerial + Back Handspring Stepout)
4. Acro elements in different directions (Back Handspring Stepout, Aerial)

Total from CR - 2.0

D Score - 2.8 + 0.0 + 0.0 + 2.0 -> 4.8

Other than the aerial + split jump + back handspring stepout series that she showed during qualifications at Europeans, is there anything else she might have left out of the team finals routine?

 

[RAFIKI]

Not sure. She got a 5.4 D in qualifications and that’s quite the difference so I was curious, especially given how close GB were to team bronze.

Thanks for the breakdown and for adding An to your list.

 

[Concorde]

Qiu Qiyuan - Uneven Bars, Event Finals

Video Angle:

D Score

DV

1. ‘Lin’ Pirouette, E
2. ‘Ling’ Pirouette, E
3. Cappuccitti / Layout Jaeger, F
4. Piked Stalder Full, E
5. Downie, F
6. Piked Stalder Piked Tkatchev, F
7. Van Leeuwen, E
8. Full Twisting Double Tuck dismount, D

Total DV - 4.2

CV

D + D, both with turn or flight

1. Piked Stalder ½ + ‘Lin’ Pirouette, 0.1
2. ‘Lin’ Pirouette + ‘Ling’ Pirouette, 0.1

E + E, one flight element

1. ‘Ling’ Pirouette + Cappuccitti, 0.2
2. Piked Stalder Full + Downie, 0.2

D + F, both with flight

1. Piked Stalder Piked Tkatchev + Pak Salto, 0.2

Total CV - 0.8

Dismount Bonus

Full Twisting Double Tuck Dismount, D

Dismount Bonus - 0.2

CR

1. Flight from high bar to low bar (Pak Salto)
2. Flight element on same bar (Cappuccitti)
3. Different grips (Piked Stalder 1/2, ‘Lin’ pirouette)
4. Non-flight element with 360 turn (‘Ling’ pirouette)

Total from CR - 2.0

D Score - 4.2 + 0.8 + 0.2 + 2.0 -> 7.2

Elements or Connections Not Credited and Modifications to Planned Routine

- None

Credited D Score - 4.2 + 0.8 + 0.2 + 2.0 -> 7.2

E Score

Potential Execution Deductions ^(Denotes borderline / discretion in realtime / benefit of doubt due to angle, etc.)

1. Piked stalder 1/2
a. Flexed feet (0.1)
b. Angle of completion / Between 11 and 30 degrees of handstand (0.1)

2. ‘Lin’ Pirouette
a. Bent knees on swing to vertical (0.1)
b. Angle of completion / Between 11 and 30 degrees of handstand (0.1)

3. ‘Ling’ Pirouette
a. Bent knees on swing to vertical (0.1)
b. Angle of completion / Between 11 and 30 degrees of handstand (0.1)

4. Cappuccitti
a. Bent knees on swing (0.1)
b. Flexed feet (0.1)
c. Bent arms upon regrasp (0.1)

5. Downie
a. Flexed feet (0.1)
b. Bent arms upon regrasp (0.3)

6. Piked Stalder Piked Tkatchev
a. Flexed feet (0.1)

7. Pak Salto
a. Insufficient height / Hips at high bar height (0.1)
b. Bent arms upon regrasp (0.1)

8. Van Leeuwen
a. Leg separation (0.1) ^

9. Cast to Handstand with Legs Straddled (following van Leeuwen)
a. Body posture / Bent hips (0.1) ^

Total Deductions - 1.6 / 1.8

E Score - 8.20 / 8.40

Total Score - 7.20 + 8.20 / 8.40 = 15.40 / 15.60 (Actual - 7.2 + 8.300 = 15.500)

 

[Concorde]

Kaylia Nemour - Uneven Bars, Event Finals
Video Angle:
Side Video Angle:

D Score

DV

1. Piked Stalder Full, E
2. Nemour, G
3. Pak Salto, D
4. Komova II, E
5. Stalder Full, D
6. Derwael / Fenton, F
7. Stalder Shaposhnikova ½, E
8. Double Layout dismount, D

Total DV - 4.0

CV

E + E, one with flight

1. Piked Stalder Full + Nemour, 0.2

D + F, both with flight

1. Nemour + Pak Salto, 0.2
2. Derwael / Fenton + Ezhova, 0.2

D + D, both with turn or flight

1. Pak Salto + Komova II, 0.1
2. Stalder Full + Derwael / Fenton, 0.1
3. Ezhova + Stalder Shaposhnikova ½, 0.1
4. Toe-on Full + Double Layout dismount, 0.1

D flight from low bar to high bar + C on high bar with turn or flight

1. Komova II + Stalder Full, 0.2

Total CV - 1.2

Dismount Bonus

Double Layout Dismount, D

Dismount Bonus - 0.2

CR

1. Flight from high bar to low bar (Pak Salto)
2. Flight element on same bar (Nemour)
3. Different grips (Stalder Full, Ezhova)
4. Non-flight element with 360 turn (Piked Stalder Full)

Total from CR - 2.0

D Score - 4.0 + 1.2 + 0.2 + 2.0 -> 7.4

Elements or Connections Not Credited and Modifications to Planned Routine

1. Derwael / Fenton
a. Insufficient ½ turn prior to regrasp, credit as Ricna, an E element, (-0.1 DV)

2. Derwael / Fenton + Ezhova
a. Credit as Ricna + Ezhova, D + E CV, (-0.1 CV)

Credited D Score - 3.9 + 1.1 + 0.2 + 2.0 -> 7.2

E Score

Potential Execution Deductions ^(Denotes borderline / discretion in realtime / benefit of doubt due to angle, etc.)

1. Cast to handstand
a. Body alignment in casts / Piked hips (0.1)
b. Grip adjustment (0.1)

2. Piked Stalder Full
a. Body shape / Flexed feet (0.1)

3. Nemour
a. Body shape / Flexed feet (0.1)
b. Leg separation (0.1) ^

3. Komova
a. Leg separation (0.1)
b. Bent arms (0.1)

4. Derwael / Fenton
b. Flexed foot (left foot) (0.1)
a. Lack of precision / Incomplete turn (0.1)

5. Ezhova
a. Insufficient height (0.1) ^
b. Lack of precision / Incomplete turn / Not square to bar upon regrasp (0.1)

6. Stalder Shaposhnikova 1/2
a. Lack of precision / Incomplete turn / Not square to bar upon regrasp (0.1)
b. Bent arms upon regrasp (0.1)

7. Double layout dismount
a. Insufficient height / Hips at bar height at highest point of flight (0.1)
b. Bent knees (0.1)
b. Leg separation (0.1)
c. Hop on landing (0.1)

Total Deductions - 1.5 / 1.7

E Score - 8.30 / 8.50

Total Score - 7.20 + 8.30 / 8.50 = 15.50 / 15.70 (Actual - 7.2 + 8.500 = 15.700)

 

[Concorde]

Rebeca Andrade - Floor Exercise, Event Finals

D Score

DV - Acro

1. Full Twisting Front Layout, C
2. Tucked Full-in, E
3. Chusovitina, H
4. Double Layout, F
5. Double Pike, D

Total Acro DV - 2.6

DV - Gymnastic

1. Gogean, D
2. Memmel Turn, D
3. Full Twisting Switch Leap, D

Total Dance DV - 1.2

CV

C + indirect E Acro

1. Full Twisting Front Layout -> Tucked Full-in, 0.2

Total CV - 0.2

Dismount Bonus

Double Pike, D

Dismount Bonus - 0.2

CR

1. Dance Passage of Two Different Leaps, one with 180 Split (Switch Leap + Full Twisting Switch Leap)
2. Salto with LA Turn (Tucked Full-in)
3. Double Salto (Double Layout)
4. Forward and Backward Saltos (Full Twisting Front Layout, Chusovitina)

Total from CR - 2.0

D Score - 3.8 + 0.2 + 0.2 + 2.0 -> 6.2

Elements or Connections Not Credited and Modifications to Planned Routine

1. Gogean
a. Turn not fully completed, beyond 30 degree allowance, credit as full twisting split leap (-0.1 DV)

2. Memmel Turn
a. Shoulders and hips did not complete second rotation before foot left floor, credit as Element 2.203 / full turn with free leg held in split (-0.2 DV)

Credited D Score - 3.5 + 0.2 + 0.2 + 2.0 -> 5.9

E Score

Potential Execution Deductions ^(Denotes borderline / discretion in realtime / benefit of doubt due to angle, etc.)

1. Full Twisting Front Layout
a. Insufficient Stretch / Piked hips* (0.1)
b. Bent knee (0.1)

* Piking as she punches off the floor is fine, but Andrade never seems to fully extend her hips even at the apex of the salto

2. Tucked Full-in
a. Leg separation (0.1)^
b. Flexed feet (0.1)
c. Movement of feet on landing (0.1)^

2. Chusovitina
a. Failure to maintain stretched position (0.1)
b. Large hop on landing (0.3)

3. Gogean
a. Body shape (0.1)
b. Lack of precision (0.1)
c. Landed with feet apart (0.1)

4. Memmel Turn
a. Body shape (0.1)
b. Lack of precision / Off-axis during turn (0.1)

5. Double Layout
a. Hop on landing (0.1)

6. Full Twisting Switch Leap
a. Body shape / bent knee on free leg swing and flexed feet (0.1)
b. Landed with feet apart (0.1)
c. Loss of balance / Hop on landing (0.1)

7. Double Pike
a. Large step on landing (0.3)

Total Deductions - 1.9 - 2.1

Potential Artistry Deductions

1. Insufficient complexity or creativity of movements throughout exercise (0.1) ^
2. Poor corner choreography (0.1)

Total Artistry Deductions - 0.1 / 0.2

E Score - 7.7 / 8.0

Total Score: 5.9 + 7.7 / 8.0 = 13.6 / 13.9 (Actual - 5.9 + 8.266 = 14.166)

 

[Concorde]

Ana Barbosu - Floor Exercise, Event Finals

D Score

DV - Acro

1. Tucked Full-in, E
2. 2 1/2 Twist, D
3. Full Twisting Front Layout, C
4. Double Tuck, D

Total Acro DV - 1.6

DV - Gymnastic

1. Full Twisting Pike Jump, C
2. Gogean, D
3. Double Turn in Tuck Stand, D
4. Full Twisting Switch Leap, D

Total Dance DV - 1.5

CV

A + E Direct Acro

1. Whip + Tucked Full-in, 0.2

C + D Direct Acro

1. 2 1/2 Twist + Full Twisting Front Layout, 0.2

D + A Direct Acro

1. Double Tuck + Front Tuck, 0.1

Total CV - 0.5

Dismount Bonus

Double Tuck, D

Dismount Bonus - 0.2

CR

1. Dance Passage of Two Different Leaps, one with 180 Split (Hitch Kick / Scissor Leap + Gogean)
2. Salto with LA Turn (2 1/2 Twist)
3. Double Salto (Tucked Full-in)
4. Forward and Backward Saltos (Full Twisting Front Layout, Double Tuck)

Total from CR - 2.0

D Score - 3.1 + 0.5 + 0.2 + 2.0 -> 5.8

Elements or Connections Not Credited and Modifications to Planned Routine

None

Credited D Score - 3.1 + 0.5 + 0.2 + 2.0 -> 5.8

E Score

Potential Execution Deductions ^(Denotes borderline / discretion in realtime / benefit of doubt due to angle, etc.)

1. Tucked Full-in
a. Leg separation (0.1)
b. Flexed feet (0.1)
c. Hop on landing (0.1)

2. Full Twisting Pike Jump
a. Body shape / soft knees (0.1)

3. 2 1/2 Twist
a. Crossed legs (0.1)
b. Flexed foot (0.1)

4. Full Twisting Front Layout
a. Insufficient stretch (0.1)
b. Insufficient height (0.1)
b. Large step on Landing (0.3)

5. Gogean
a. Body shape (0.1)
b. Lack of precision / within 30 degree tolerance to receive D value, but slightly short of being fully rotated (0.1)

6. Double Turn in Tuck Stand
a. Body shape / Bent knee (0.3)
b. Lack of precision / Off-axis during turn (0.1)

7. Double Tuck
a. Leg separation (0.1)
b. Flexed feet (0.1)

8. Front Tuck
a. Hop on landing (0.1)

9. Full Twisting Switch Leap
a. Body shape (0.1)

Total Deductions - 2.1

Potential Artistry Deductions

1. Insufficient complexity or creativity of movements throughout exercise (0.1) ^
2. Poor corner choreography (0.1)

Total Artistry Deductions - 0.1 / 0.2

E Score - 7.7 / 7.8

Neutral Deductions

Step outside border marking with one foot (0.1)

Total Neutral Deductions - 0.1

Total Score: 5.8 + 7.7 / 7.8 - 0.1 ND = 13.4 / 13.5 (Actual - 5.8 + 8.0 - 0.1 ND = 13.7)

 

[Doug1233]

I didn’t know it was -0.1 DV for insufficient stretch on a Nabs. Thanks!

 

[RAFIKI]

One of the few overscoring accusations I've seen (on ranty gymtwitter so no details given and I can't even remember if the event was specified) was Andrade in TF. I remember thinking her beam felt high given the mistakes but I think I'm still calibrated for past judging pens, I’m conditioned to assume you shouldn't be scoring a 14 with a big wobble. Any code experts want to weigh in on that one please?

 

[MaryClare]

One of the few overscoring accusations I've seen (on ranty gymtwitter so no details given and I can't even remember if the event was specified) was Andrade in TF. I remember thinking her beam felt high given the mistakes but I think I'm still calibrated for past judging pens, I’m conditioned to assume you shouldn't be scoring a 14 with a big wobble. Any code experts want to weigh in on that one please?

I love Rebeca, but I do think she is given a lot of gifts

 

[Concorde]

Not sure. She got a 5.4 D in qualifications and that’s quite the difference so I was curious, especially given how close GB were to team bronze.

Downie's beam from qualifications is in STS / judge training software, so I was able to script the D score for you.

Acro DV

1. Side Aerial, D
2. Layout stepout, C
3. Aerial, D
4. Side Somi, D
5. 1 1/2 Twist Dismount, C

Total Acro DV - 1.8

Dance DV

1. Switch Leap Mount, D
2. Switch Leap 1/2, D
3. Switch Leap, C

Total Dance DV - 1.1

CV

D + D, dance or mixed

1. Switch Leap Mount + Switch Leap 1/2, 0.2

D + C, direct acro

1. Side aerial + Layout Stepout, 0.2 (lifted leg about 45 degrees off the beam and movement of arms on the layout)

D + B mixed

1. Aerial + Split Jump, 0.1

Total CV - 0.5

Dismount Bonus

1 1/2 Twist, C -> None

CR

1. Connection of at least two different dance elements, 1 with 180 degree split (Switch Leap + Full Turn)
2. Turn (Full Turn)
3. Acro series of two flight elements, one salto (Side Aerial + Layout Stepout)
4. Acro elements in different directions (Layout Stepout, Aerial)

Total from CR - 2.0

D Score - 2.9 + 0.5 + 0.0 + 2.0 -> 5.4

 

[Concorde]

On another GB gymnast related note:

Kinsella's underrotation on her triple twists is very obvious from the videos in STS.

 

[RAFIKI]

Thanks very much Concorde. I’ll look forward to comparing that with her TF routine tomorrow.