2024 Olympics: Judge This Routine (Breaking Down the Deductions/Compiling Start Value)

[RedBirdie]

You want outrage, do Olsen's Cheng vs. Andrade!

 

[QuietColours]

What about Flavia's beam?

 

[onodian]

We have months ahead to wallow on that

 

[Hatsumomo]

We have months ahead to wallow on that

File it away for the post-Olympic slump arguments

 

[Concorde]

What about Flavia's beam?

D Score

DV - Acro

1. Back Handspring Stepout Mount, D
2. Layout Stepout, C
3. Aerial, D
4. Side Somi, D
5. Double Pike Dismount, E

Total Acro DV - 2.0

DV - Gymnastic

1. Switch Ring Leap, E
2. Split Ring Jump, D
3. Switch Leap, C

Total Dance DV - 1.2

CV / SB

C + C Acro

1. Layout Stepout + Layout Stepout, 0.1

D + D Dance / Mixed

1. Aerial + Split Ring Jump, 0.2

D + B Mixed

1. Split Ring Jump + Back Handspring Stepout, 0.1

Series Bonus

1. Back Handspring Stepout + Layout Stepout + Layout Stepout, 0.1
2. Aerial + Split Ring Jump + Back Handspring Stepout, 0.1

Total CV / SB - 0.6

Dismount Bonus

Double Pike, E

Dismount Bonus - 0.2

CR

1. Connection of at least two different dance elements, 1 with 180 degree split (Split Leap + Sissone)
2. Turn (Full Turn)
3. Acro series of two flight elements, one salto (Back Handspring Stepout + Layout Stepout + Layout Stepout
4. Acro elements in different directions (Side Somi, Back Handspring Stepout, Aerial)

Total from CR - 2.0

D Score - 3.2 + 0.6 + 0.2 + 2.0 -> 6.0

Elements or Connections Not Credited and Modifications to Planned Routine

1. Switch Leap
a. Appears as if foot did not land on beam prior to fall -> No DV awarded (-0.3 DV)
b. Count A dance element(full turn, wolf jump, split leap, or sissone) among 8 elements (+0.1 DV)

Credited D Score - 3.0 + 0.6 + 0.2 + 2.0 -> 5.8

E Score

Potential Execution Deductions ^(Denotes borderline / discretion in realtime / benefit of doubt due to angle, etc.)

1. Adjustment (Before Acro Series)
a. Step in preparation of acro series with minimal additional body movement (0.1)

2. Switch Ring Leap
a. Medium balance adjustment / Lifted leg off beam, movement of torso (0.3)

3. Aerial + Split Ring Jump
a. Poor rhythm of connection (0.1)

4. Side Somi
a. Insufficient height / salto did not show a rise in center of gravity (0.1)
b. Flexed feet (0.1)

5. Switch Leap
a. Fall (1.0)

6. Wolf Jump
a. Body shape / Extended leg at horizontal (0.1)
b. Small balance adjustment (0.1)

7. Double Pike Dismount
a. Low chest on landing / head at hip level (0.1) ^ (initial contact appears somewhat low, but stands upright quickly which makes this less obvious)
b. Large step on landing / greater than shoulder width (0.3)

Total Deductions - 2.3

Potential Artistry Deductions

1. Insufficient involvement of the body parts (0.1)
2. Insufficient variation in rhythm and tempo in movements (0.1)

Total Artistry Deductions - 0.2

E Score - 7.5 / 7.6

Neutral Deductions

Overtime (0.1)

Total Neutral Deductions - 0.1

Total Score: 5.8 + 7.5 / 7.6 - 0.1 ND = 13.2 / 13.3 (Actual - 5.8 + 7.433 - 0.1 ND = 13.133)

 

[Concorde]

What about Flavia's beam?

D Score

DV - Acro

1. Back Handspring Stepout Mount, D
2. Layout Stepout, C
3. Aerial, D
4. Side Somi, D
5. Double Pike Dismount, E

Total Acro DV - 2.0

DV - Gymnastic

1. Switch Ring Leap, E
2. Split Ring Jump, D
3. Switch Leap, C

Total Dance DV - 1.2

CV / SB

C + C Acro

1. Layout Stepout + Layout Stepout, 0.1

D + D Dance / Mixed

1. Aerial + Split Ring Jump, 0.2

D + B Mixed

1. Split Ring Jump + Back Handspring Stepout, 0.1

Series Bonus

1. Back Handspring Stepout + Layout Stepout + Layout Stepout, 0.1
2. Aerial + Split Ring Jump + Back Handspring Stepout, 0.1

Total CV / SB - 0.6

Dismount Bonus

Double Pike, E

Dismount Bonus - 0.2

CR

1. Connection of at least two different dance elements, 1 with 180 degree split (Split Leap + Sissone)
2. Turn (Full Turn)
3. Acro series of two flight elements, one salto (Back Handspring Stepout + Layout Stepout + Layout Stepout
4. Acro elements in different directions (Side Somi, Back Handspring Stepout, Aerial)

Total from CR - 2.0

D Score - 3.2 + 0.6 + 0.2 + 2.0 -> 6.0

Elements or Connections Not Credited and Modifications to Planned Routine

1. Switch Leap + Switch Leap ½
a. Pause following switch leap / Did not attempt connection (-0.1 CV)

2. Switch leap ½ + Korbut
a. Balance check on switch leap ½ / Did not attempt Korbut (-0.1 CV)

3. Switch Leap + Switch Leap ½ + Korbut
a. Did not attempt series (-0.1 SB)

4. Aerial + Split Jump + Straddle Jump
a. Touched beam with leg on straddle jump (-0.1 SB)

Credited D Score - 3.2 + 0.2 + 0.2 + 2.0 -> 5.6

E Score

Potential Execution Deductions

1. Side Aerial
a. Medium balance adjustment / Small movement of leg and torso adjustments (0.3)

2. Layout Stepout
a. Medium balance adjustment / Lifted leg off beam above horizontal, slight torso adjustments (0.5)

3. Adjustment (Following Switch Leap)
a. Unnecessary step / Movement with minimal choreography (0.1)

4. Switch Leap ½
a. Body shape / Insufficient split (0.1)
a. Medium balance adjustment / Lifted leg off beam and leaning of torso (0.3)

5. Aerial + Split Jump
a. Poor rhythm of connection (0.1)

6. Straddle Jump
a. Body shape / Legs at but not above horizontal (0.1)
b. Grasp of beam to avoid fall (0.5)

7. Switch Ring Leap
a. Body shape / Foot at head height (0.1)

8. Double Pike Dismount
a. Insufficient height (0.1)
b. Body posture / Chest at knee level (0.3)
c. Large step on landing / greater than shoulder width (0.3)

Total Deductions - 2.8

Potential Artistry Deductions

1. Insufficient involvement of the body parts (0.1)
2. Insufficient variation in rhythm and tempo in movements (0.1)

Total Artistry Deductions - 0.2

E Score - 7.0

Neutral Deductions

Overtime (0.1)

Total Neutral Deductions - 0.1

Total Score: 5.6 + 7.0 - 0.1 ND = 12.5 (Actual - 5.6 + 7.133 - 0.1 ND = 12.633)

 

[Concorde]

Sunisa Lee - Floor Exercise, Qualifications

D Score

DV - Acro

1. Chusovitina, H
2. 1 ½ Twist, C
3. Full Twisting Front Layout, C
4. Double Tuck, D

Total Acro DV - 1.8

DV - Gymnastic

1. Switch Ring Leap, C
2. Full Twisting Split Leap, C
3. Double Turn with Leg at Horizontal, D
4. Mitchell, E

Total Dance DV - 1.5

CV

C + C Acro

1. 1 1/2 Twist + Full Twisting Front Layout, 0.1

Total CV - 0.1

Dismount Bonus

Double Tuck, D

Dismount Bonus - 0.2

CR

1. Dance Passage of Two Different Leaps, one with 180 Split (Switch Ring Leap + Full Twisting Split Leap)
2. Salto with LA Turn (Chusovitina)
3. Double Salto (Double Tuck)
4. Forward and Backward Saltos (1 ½ Twist, Full Twisting Front Layout)

Total from CR - 2.0

D Score - 3.3 + 0.1 + 0.2 + 2.0 -> 5.6

Elements or Connections Not Credited and Modifications to Planned Routine

1. Double Turn with Leg at Horizontal
a. Free leg not held at horizontal throughout turn, credit as double turn (-0.2 DV)

Credited D Score - 3.1 + 0.1 + 0.2 + 2.0 -> 5.4

E Score

Potential Execution Deductions ^(Denotes borderline / discretion in realtime / benefit of doubt due to angle, etc.)

1. Chusovitina
a. Body alignment / Piked hips (0.1)
b. Failure to maintain stretched position (0.1)
c. Landing Posture / Head at hip height (0.1)
d. Hop on landing (0.1)

2. Full Twisting Split Leap
a. Loss of balance / Hop on landing (0.1)

3. Full Twisting Front Layout
a. Hop on landing (0.1)

4. Double Turn with Leg at Horizontal
a. Body Shape / Torso bent forward (0.1)
b. Lack of precision / Off-axis during turn (0.1)
c. Loss of balance (0.1)

4. Mitchell
a. Body Shape / Bent knee (0.1)
b. Lack of precision / Off-axis during turn (0.1)

5. Double Tuck
a. Leg separation (0.1)
b. Flexed feet (0.1)
c. Landing Posture / Head at hip height (0.1)
d. Large step on landing / Greater than shoulder width (0.3)
e. Additional step / movement on landing (0.1)

Total Deductions - 1.8

Potential Artistry Deductions

1. Insufficient involvement of the body parts (0.1) ^
2. Insufficient complexity or creativity of movements throughout exercise (0.1)
3. Poor corner choreography (0.1)

Total Artistry Deductions - 0.2 / 0.3

E Score - 7.9 / 8.0

Neutral Deductions

Step outside border marking with both feet (0.3)

Total Neutral Deductions - 0.3

Total Score: 5.4 + 7.9 / 8.0 - 0.3 ND = 13.0 / 13.1 (Actual - 5.4 + 8.0 - 0.3 ND = 13.1)

 

[navyblue]

Can someone do Suni's TQ vs. TF routine? The way I'm seeing it she did the exact same routine only she gets 6.4 D on TQ vs. 6.3 D on TF. During TF, she hit her feet on the mat.

 

[Concorde]

Can someone do Suni's TQ vs. TF routine? The way I'm seeing it she did the exact same routine only she gets 6.4 D on TQ vs. 6.3 D on TF. During TF, she hit her feet on the mat.

I will post scripts of both routines in the near future, but the difference between the Nabievas were as follows:

1. Torso Position : In Qualifications, Lee's torso is more upright, especially as she passes over the high bar. In Team Finals, her torso has a slight forward lean.

2. Hip Angle: Lee's hip angle in Qualifications seems to be a little more open compared to during Team Finals.

While slight differences, the combination of the two makes the piking look more severe and could explain whey the Nabieva was downgraded in Team Finals.

 

[MaryClare]

Flavia TF vault
Rebeca TF beam

Please and Thank you

 

[cftmoonlight79]

I don't need any routines judged, just wanted to know team USA score without Simone-using the qualifications scores to replace what she did today.

 

[Passion]

Using qualifications scores, as in, replacing Biles' scores with the 4th person from quals' scores and keeping the remaining scores from TF the same TF scores?

Vault - 43.333
Chiles 14.400
Carey 14.800
Biles replacement: Lee 14.133

Uneven Bars - 42.832‬
Chiles 14.366
Biles replacement: Rivera 13.900
Lee 14.566

Balance Beam - 39.966
Chiles 12.733
Lee 14.600
Biles replacement: Rivera 12.633

Floor Exercise - 38.132
Lee 13.533
Chiles 13.966
Biles replacement: Carey 10.633

Total - 164.263

An exact tie with Great Britain for 3rd.

 

[cftmoonlight79]

Ok ouch. Obviously the Carey floor score was a big one. If she hit her normal, then I suppose they would have been closer to the top. Thanks.

 

[cftmoonlight79]

Normal Jade would have put them around 167.50 or so.

 

[RichardL]

Knowing what we all know (and the gymnasts and coaching staff knew before we did) about Carey's status at the time, she would never have been put up in a 5-3-3 situation. She had already significantly downgraded in podium training. They would have competed Rivera.

 

[Doug1233]

Her dismount was about .8 deductions.
7.133 was correct IMO as I had her at 7.0.

I also had a 7.0

 

[Doug1233]

Jordan Chiles - Uneven Bars, Qualifications

D Score

DV

1. Van Leeuwen, E
2. Piked Jaeger, D
3. Toe-on Full, D
4. Piked Tkatchev, E
5. Pak Salto, D
6. Maloney, D
7. Gienger, D
8. Full Twisting Double Tuck Dismount, D

Total DV - 3.4

CV

D + D, Both with Turn or Flight

1. Toe-on Full + Piked Tkatchev, 0.1
2. Piked Tkatchev + Pak Salto, 0.1

D Flight from Low Bar to High Bar + C on High Bar with Turn or Flight

1. Maloney + Gienger, 0.2

Total CV - 0.4

Dismount Bonus

Full Twisting Double Tuck, D -> 0.2

CR

1. Flight from high bar to low bar (Pak Salto)
2. Flight element on same bar (Piked Jaeger)
3. Different grips (Giant to Blind Change, Piked Jaeger)
4. Non-flight element with 360 turn (Toe-on Full)

Total CR - 2.0

D Score - 3.4 + 0.4 + 0.2 + 2.0 = 6.0

Elements of Connections Not Credited

- None

Credited D Score - 3.4 + 0.4 + 0.2 + 2.0 = 6.0

E Score

Potential Deductions

1. Glide Kip
a. Insufficient extension in kips (0.1)

2. Cast to Handstand with Legs Straddled
a. Body alignment in casts / Piked Hips (0.1)

3. Van Leeuwen
a. Leg separation (0.1)

4. Cast to Handstand with Legs Straddled
a. Body alignment in casts / Piked Hips (0.1)

5. Piked Jaeger
a. Flexed feet (0.1)
b. Bent arms upon regrasp (0.1)

6. Toe-on Full
a. Angle of completion / Between 11 and 30 degrees past handstand (0.1)

7. Piked Tkatchev
a. Bent knees (0.1)
b. Flexed feet (0.1)

8. Maloney
a. Leg separation (0.1)

9. Gienger
a. Insufficient height / Hips at bar height upon regrasp (0.1)
b. Lack of precision / Not square to bar upon regrasp (0.1)
c. Bent arms upon regrasp (0.1)

10. Cast to Handstand with Legs Straddled
a. Body alignment in casts / Piked Hips (0.1)

11. Full Twisting Double Tuck Dismount
a. Flexed feet (0.1)
b. Leg separation (0.1)
c. Step on landing (0.1)

Total Deductions - 1.7

E Score - 8.30

Total Score - 6.00 + 8.30 = 14.30 (Actual - 6.0 + 8.266 = 14.266)

I had 6.0 + 8.5

 

[Gymfan93]

Using qualifications scores, as in, replacing Biles' scores with the 4th person from quals' scores and keeping the remaining scores from TF the same TF scores?

Vault - 43.333
Chiles 14.400
Carey 14.800
Biles replacement: Lee 14.133

Uneven Bars - 42.832‬
Chiles 14.366
Biles replacement: Rivera 13.900
Lee 14.566

Balance Beam - 39.966
Chiles 12.733
Lee 14.600
Biles replacement: Rivera 12.633

Floor Exercise - 38.132
Lee 13.533
Chiles 13.966
Biles replacement: Carey 10.633

Total - 164.263

An exact tie with Great Britain for 3rd.

They obviously had a bit of a disaster score on FX though. I think a lot of American casual fans don’t realise that without Biles, USA don’t have a huge advantage. It’s the same as if Brazil lost Andrade, still top gymnasts but others are scoring around the same. USA were lucky they had the depth to absorb all the injuries and still have a strong team.

 

[Concorde]

Can someone do Suni's TQ vs. TF routine? The way I'm seeing it she did the exact same routine only she gets 6.4 D on TQ vs. 6.3 D on TF. During TF, she hit her feet on the mat.

Here is qualifications:

D Score

DV

1. Nabieva, F
2. Bhardwaj, E
3. Van Leeuwen, E
4. Straddled Jaeger, D
5. Pak Salto, D
6. Maloney, D
7. Gienger, D
8. Full Twisting Double Tuck Dismount, D

Total DV - 3.6

CV

D + F, both with flight

1. Nabieva + Bhardwaj, 0.2

E + E, one flight element

1. Bhardwaj + Van Leeuwen, 0.2

D + D, both with turn or flight

1. Straddled Jaeger + Pak Salto, 0.1
2. Pak salto + Maloney, 0.1

D flight from low bar to high bar + C on high bar with turn or flight

1. Maloney + Gienger, 0.2

Total CV - 0.8

Dismount Bonus

Full Twisting Double Tuck Dismount, D

Dismount Bonus - 0.2

CR

1. Flight from high bar to low bar (Bhardwaj)
2. Flight element on same bar (Nabieva)
3. Different grips (Maloney, Straddled Jaeger)
4. Non-flight element with 360 turn (Giant Full)

Total from CR - 2.0

D Score - 3.6 + 0.8 + 0.2 + 2.0 -> 6.6

Elements or Connections Not Credited and Modifications to Planned Routine

1. Bhardwaj + van Leeuwen
a. Connection not performed (-0.2 CV)

Credited D Score - 3.6 + 0.6 + 0.2 + 2.0 -> 6.4

E Score

Potential Execution Deductions ^(Denotes borderline / discretion in realtime / benefit of doubt due to angle, etc.)

1. Cast to Handstand with Legs Straddled
a. Grip adjustment (0.1)

2. Nabieva
a. Leg separation (0.1)
b. Flexed feet (0.1)

3. Bhardwaj
a. Leg separation (0.1) ^
b. Lack of precision / Legs not fully rotated upon regrasp (0.1) ^

4. Cast to Handstand with Legs Straddled
a. Body alignment in casts / Piked Hips (0.1)
b. Grip adjustment (0.1)

5. Van Leeuwen
a. Leg separation (0.1)

6. Cast to Handstand with Legs Straddled
a. Grip adjustment (0.1)

7. Pak Salto
a. Insufficient height / Hips at high bar height (0.1)

8. Maloney
a. Leg separation (0.1)

9. Gienger
a. Insufficient height / Hips at bar height upon regrasp (0.1)

10. Cast to Handstand with Legs Straddled
a. Grip adjustment (0.1)

11. Giant Full
a. Angle of completion / Between 31 and 45 degrees past handstand (0.3)

12. Full Twisting Double Tuck Dismount
a. Hop on landing (0.1)

Total Deductions - 1.5 / 1.7

E Score - 8.30 / 8.50

Total Score - 6.40 + 8.30 / 8.50 = 14.70 / 14.90 (Actual - 6.4 + 8.466 = 14.866)

 

[Concorde]

Sunisa Lee - Uneven Bars, Team Finals

D Score

DV

1. Nabieva, F
2. Bhardwaj, E
3. Van Leeuwen, E
4. Straddled Jaeger, D
5. Pak Salto, D
6. Maloney, D
7. Gienger, D
8. Full Twisting Double Tuck Dismount, D

Total DV - 3.6

CV

D + F, both with flight

1. Nabieva + Bhardwaj, 0.2

E + E, one flight element

1. Bhardwaj + Van Leeuwen, 0.2

D + D, both with turn or flight

1. Straddled Jaeger + Pak Salto, 0.1
2. Pak salto + Maloney, 0.1

D flight from low bar to high bar + C on high bar with turn or flight

1. Maloney + Gienger, 0.2

Total CV - 0.8

Dismount Bonus

Full Twisting Double Tuck Dismount, D

Dismount Bonus - 0.2

CR

1. Flight from high bar to low bar (Bhardwaj)
2. Flight element on same bar (Nabieva)
3. Different grips (Maloney, Straddled Jaeger)
4. Non-flight element with 360 turn (Giant Full)

Total from CR - 2.0

D Score - 3.6 + 0.8 + 0.2 + 2.0 -> 6.6

Elements or Connections Not Credited and Modifications to Planned Routine

1. Nabieva
a. Insufficient stretch / pike in hips while passing over the bar (-0.1 DV)

2. Bhardwaj + van Leeuwen
a. Connection not performed (-0.2 CV)

Credited D Score - 3.5 + 0.6 + 0.2 + 2.0 -> 6.3

E Score

Potential Execution Deductions ^(Denotes borderline / discretion in realtime / benefit of doubt due to angle, etc.)

1. Cast to Handstand with Legs Straddled
a. Grip adjustment (0.1)

2. Nabieva
a. Leg separation (0.1)
b. Flexed feet (0.1)
c. Insufficient stretch (0.1)

3. Bhardwaj
a. Leg separation (0.1) ^
b. Lack of precision / Legs not fully rotated upon regrasp (0.1) ^
c. Brush on mat with feet (0.3)

4. Cast to Handstand with Legs Straddled
a. Body alignment in casts / Piked Hips (0.1)
b. Grip adjustment (0.1)

5. Van Leeuwen
a. Leg separation (0.1)

6. Cast to Handstand with Legs Straddled
a. Grip adjustment (0.1)

7. Giant to Blind Change
a Angle of completion / Between 11 and 30 degrees of handstand (0.1)

8. Pak Salto
a. Insufficient height / Hips at high bar height (0.1)

9. Maloney
a. Leg separation (0.1)

10. Gienger
a. Insufficient height / Hips at bar height upon regrasp (0.1)

11. Cast to Handstand with Legs Straddled
a. Grip adjustment (0.1)

12. Giant Full
a. Angle of completion / Between 31 and 45 degrees past handstand (0.3)

12. Full Twisting Double Tuck Dismount
a. Landed with feet apart (0.1)
b. Step on landing (0.1)

Total Deductions - 2.1 / 2.3

E Score - 7.7 / 7.9

Total Score - 6.30 + 7.70 / 7.90 = 14.00 / 14.20 (Actual - 6.3 + 8.266 = 14.566)