2023 World Championships & Pan American Games Team Trials (USA)

[Ginger]

It does matter because they need a backup, for team finals. Not sure but I believe after qualifications, they can’t use an alternate, just these 5 from qualifications lineup?

 

[irichluck21]

Does it matter though? Neither has any business even being put up in qualifications. If a gymnast is too injured to do bars, they’re usually too injured to do any other event. An alternate would be a more suitable substitution than either of these two, unless they are being considered as an alternate.

If someone gets injured in qualifications, an alternate cannot be brought in once the competition has started. So Roberson or Lincoln would have to compete UB or the US just goes with three up three count scenario.
If Jones, Blakely, Biles, Roberson, and Wong are on the team and Wong gets injured in warm up, the US would have to have Roberson go in place of Wong OR just have Jones, Blakely, Biles go and count all 3 scores.

The alternate COULD be brought in after qualification. So if Wong was injured and DiCello was the alternate, as long as the meet doctor medically confirmed Wong to be out, then DiCello could be used in her slot for team finals.

 

[JaJa]

At this point I would take Carey as a vault specialist over Roberson. She had the single highest vault score and normally does better on her DTY.
Wong and Blakely can do FX in TQ and Wong can do it in TF.

VT (Blakely) Jones, Carey, Biles
UB (Biles) Wong, Blakely, Jones
BB (Jones/Wong) Jones/Wong, Biles, Blakely
FX (Blakely) Wong, Jones, Biles

Interesting. And I like it. But I doubt we will see Jade at worlds this year

 

[RichardL]

I would have had Lincoln, Roberson, and Chiles all do floor again. Chiles would’ve outscored both of them without the annoying fall, and would have made a strong case to be on this team.

Also, I asked upthread, but can anyone explain how Chiles is satisfying the front tumbling requirement? She no longer does the front layout step-out.

 

[GLeigh]

I think I remember seeing on Twitter that she didn’t and it seemed like the judges didn’t notice and didn’t take the deduction. She was meant to have a front layout into her double pike I think

 

[GLeigh]

Also just ran the numbers using a calculator so could definitely be wrong but I looked at best team score using the average of the best two scores from Championships + Trials. I only ran these teams but got SSS Josc Kaliya: 174.25, SSS Josc Zoe: 174.025, SSS Josc Leanne: 173.775, SSS Kaliya Zoe: 174.25, SSS Kaliya Leanne: 174.

Leanne’s scores don’t count in either of the ones with her so I’m leaning towards her as alternate. For the first 174.25 I figure you’d be looking at VT: (Skye) Shi, Josc, Simone; UB (Josc) Simone, Skye, Shi; BB (Kaliya) Shi, Skye, Simone; FX (Skye) Shi, Kaliya, Simone. That’s kind of awful though because Joscelyn has to go on bars and then either Skye doesn’t get to do AA or Joscelyn doesn’t get to do floor which doesn’t make sense.

I feel like the other one could work though? VT: (Kaliya) Skye, Shi, Simone; UB (Simone) Skye, Zoe, Shi; BB (Kaliya) Shi, Skye, Simone; FX (Skye) Shi, Kaliya, Simone

 

[navyblue]

Why was Simone’s bars start value 5.6, given that she repeated her Van Leewuen and it wasn’t meant to be connected to anything…

 

[RichardL]

A bizarre thing for the judges to miss, and also a strange skill for an athlete to skip.

 

[GLeigh]

I think she landed badly and stung her ankle on the pass before and she was thrown off

 

[gymfan]

I don’t think they need to see more Roberson floor. There are international scores available this year. The floor routine yesterday was just to see if she can hit the routine for consistency measure.

 

[gymfan]

Carey is competing for the Pan American spot. She fell on beam yesterday, so today is her redemption time.

 

[GLeigh]

I don’t see the point in sending Jade to Pan Ams at all. She has loads of international experience and really seems to need rest.

 

[gymfan]

She needs both funding and the international score for this year. She will receive national funding by having an international assignment.

 

[Ginger]

Maybe, but why to have her do vault then? Even with her messed up vaults (1st day of nationals, her second vault yesterday), she is still PanAm vautl medal contender so why bother.
And honestly, I want Jade to rest, heal her arm and come back strong next season. PanAm should be for younger gymnast to gather some international experience which Jade has tons of. I would love Nola Matthews there btw.
ETA: okay I see you explained it already before I posted.

 

[GLeigh]

For her personally or does USAG want that? Because I could see them not wanting to send her for the reasons above even if the score and funding would be something she’d want

 

[gymfan]

For her personally. The funding is $3000/month as she is an Olympian medallist:

https://static.usagym.org/PDFs/Pressbox/Selection%20Procedures/23_funding.pdf

She needs an international assignment to qualify for the funding. She is not a national team member yet, but she will be today.

 

[Ginger]

Still doesn’t explain why the vault tonight but maybe it was her choice.
ETA: would she get the funding if she ends up as an alternate? If so, I would love to see her as PanAm alternate.

 

[gymfan]

She had a short landing on her Cheng a month ago, so another Cheng + DTY combo will solidify her case for consistency measure. I don’t think she wants to do bars again given that she did well yesterday. Doing floor is a bit risky when the competitions are too close.

 

[Concorde]

Why was Simone’s bars start value 5.6, given that she repeated her Van Leewuen and it wasn’t meant to be connected to anything…

I believe what happened was:

1. First van Leeuwen, considered to have momentary hang and given DV.
2. Second van Leeuwen, no DV, but for purposes of the repetition rule is the third toe-on element in the routine.
3. toe-on full, no value given because it is now the fourth toe-on element in the routine.

Planned DV - 6.0
Less toe-on full - (0.4)
Less toe-on full + full twisting double tuck CV - (0.1)
Add cast to handstand with legs straddled^ + 0.1

Credited DV - 5.6

^ We don’t have the best angle to verify, but if her casts to handstands with legs together were short of handstand by more than 10 degrees, no DV is awarded, which is why she is counting an A element vs. a B.

 

[navyblue]

jesus christ that’s convoluted but amazing deductive logic on your part !!