2022 Doha World Cup

[JaJa]

There is something quite poignant about one podium being all about the joy of seeing the former Soviet, Chusovitina still winning, to the next podium moments later involving 3 teenagers caught up in a war. It makes me very sad

Yes. It also raises the issue about the extent to which it is best to just keep politics out of “amateur” sports which was the original intent certainly of the Olympics.

 

[RedBirdie]

Yeah, but the Olympics haven’t been amateur for 30 years now (and in many cases, athletes were actually amateur long before that)

 

[JaJa]

I know. That’s why I put amateur in quotes. But I want to be able to celebrate Chuso for the exceptional athlete she is and not have to even factor in the reality of the politics of her being from Uzbekistan (not exactly a model of liberal democracy)

 

[onodian]

Listunova qual ub and minaeva qual

Listuniva, Basically the tokyo set but w a full-in and nabieva-like legs on it too

The fall is not THAT scary i felt, she can’t quite hold on to the nabieva and falls on her back

 

[rlayt]

As usual someone wants to play up the drama by labeling it scary.

 

[Doug1233]

Petition to make a swing 1/2 turn a 0.5 deduction, irrespective of whether it lands in a handstand.

 

[RAFIKI]

Batrona’s was one of the better ones (perhaps because it was after a break? I didn’t see her qualifying routine) but it’s still a meh skill.

 

[dweiss324]

Calling it a “skill” is generous imo haha, it’s like the rush hour U-turn of gymnastics.

 

[blake]

a full-in and nabieva-like legs on it too

we speak a lot of the komova III as quintessential russian bars but I’m glad she’s I’m glad she’s carrying the torch for Nabs <3

 

[Doug1233]

Right!

They made the Shap backswing a 0.5 if you didn’t work out of it. I can’t see how an orphan swing half getting the same compositional deduction is any different (except for the fact that the whole Russian team does it and the WTC haven’t been known to penalise anything remotely “Russian” in style…)

If all the Chinese were doing it, it would be a 0.5 faster than you could say Nellie Kim

 

[Concorde]

I feel so out of practice, but here we go…

Viktoria Listunova - Uneven Bars (Finals)

4 x E (piked stalder full, Komova, Ricna, stalder Shaposhnikova 1/2)
4 x D (Pak salto, piked stalder 1/2, straddled Jaeger, full twisting double tuck dismount)

Total DV - 3.6

CV

Komova + Ricna (E + E) - 0.2

Pak salto + stalder Shaposhnikova 1/2 (D + E) - 0.1

piked stalder 1/2 + straddled Jaeger (D + D, both with turn or flight) - 0.1

Total CV - 0.4

Dismount Bonus
full twisting double tuck (D) - 0.2

CR

Flight from high bar to low bar - Pak salto
Flight element on same bar - Ricna
Different Grips - piked stalder 1/2, straddled Jaeger
Non-flight with 360 degree turn - piked stalder full

Total D - 3.6 + 0.4 + 0.2 + 2.0 = 6.2 (6.4 when the piked stalder full and Komova are connected)

Deductions

glide kip
(insufficient extension) 0.1

piked stalder full

(flexed feet) 0.1
(angle of completion → between 31 and 45 degrees of handstand) 0.3

Komova

(flexed feet) 0.1

Ricna

(bent arms upon regrasp) 0.3

piked stalder 1/2

(angle of completion → between 11 and 30 degrees of handstand) 0.1

straddled Jaeger

(bent arms upon regrasp) 0.1

giant 1/2

(angle of completion → between 31 and 45 degrees of handstand) 0.3
(grip adjustment) 0.1

full twisting double tuck

(leg separation) 0.1
(balance adjustment on landing) 0.1

Total Deductions - (1.7) 8.3 / Actual 8.366

Mariia Minaeva - Uneven Bars (Finals)

1 x F (Nabieva)
1 x E (van Leuuwen)
5 x D (Pak salto, Shaposhnikova, Ezhova, toe-on full, full twisting double tuck)
1 x C (clear hip 1/2)

Total DV - 3.4

CV

Nabieva + Pak salto (F + D, both flight elements) - 0.2

Shaposhnikova + clear hip 1/2 (D flight from low bar to high bar + C or more with turn or flight on high bar) - 0.2

toe-on full + full twisting double tuck (D + D, both with turn or flight) - 0.1

Total CV - 0.5

Dismount Bonus
full twisting double tuck (D) - 0.2

CR

Flight from high bar to low bar - Pak salto
Flight element on same bar - Nabieva
Different Grips - clear hip 1/2, Ezhova
Non-flight with 360 degree turn - toe-on full

Total D - 3.4 + 0.5 + 0.2 + 2.0 = 6.1

Elements or Connections Not Credited

Nabieva - stretched position not maintained while passing over high bar, credit as Church, an E element (-0.1 in DV and -0.1 in CV)

Total D - 3.3 + 0.4 + 0.2 + 2.0 = 5.9

Deductions

glide kip

(insufficient extension) 0.1

cast to handstand with legs straddled

(slight balance adjustment / overarch) 0.1

Nabieva
(leg separation) 0.1
(insufficient stretch) 0.3

glide kip

(insufficient extension) 0.1

clear hip 1/2

(angle of completion → between 11 and 30 degrees of handstand) 0.1

Ezhova

(insufficient height) 0.1
(leg separation) 0.1

glide kip

(insufficient extension) 0.1
(poor rhythm) 0.1

toe-on full

(balance error) 0.3
(angle of completion → past 45 degrees of handstand) 0.5

full twisting double tuck

(bent knees on giant swing) 0.1
(body posture / low chest on landing) 0.1
(feet apart on landing) 0.1
(large step on landing) 0.3

Total Deductions - (2.6) 7.4 / Actual 7.466

 

[Concorde]

Vladislava Urazova - Floor Exercise (Qualifications)

Acro:

3 x D (double pike, 2 1/2 twist, front double twist)
1 x C (double twist)

Total Acro DV - 1.5

Dance:

1 x E (Mitchell)
1 x D (Memmel turn)
1 x C (full twisting split leap)
1 x B (illusion turn)

Total Dance DV - 1.4

Total DV - 2.9

CV

Memmel turn + illusion turn (D + B) = 0.1 CV

2 1/2 twist + front tuck (D + A) = 0.1 CV

Total CV - 0.2

Dismount Bonus

• None

CR

Dance Passage - split leap to full twisting split leap
Salto with 360 LA turn - 2 1/2 twist
Double Salto - double pike
Salto Backward and Forward - front double twist, double twist

Total D - 2.9 + 0.2 + 2.0 = 5.1

Elements or Connections Downgraded

Memmel turn

Free leg didn’t reach full split turn position until close to 1/2 of a turn was completed. It also looks like her foot might have come off the floor since she hopped/slid over to the right → Credit as full turn with leg at horizontal (B element). Turn sequence now becomes B + B which is ineligible for CV.

Total D - 2.7 + 0.1 + 2.0 = 4.8

Deductions

Memmel turn
(lack of precision) 0.1
(balance error) 0.1

illusion turn
(body shape) 0.1
(balance error / exit appeared uncontrolled) 0.1

double pike
(body posture / low chest on landing) 0.1
(large hop on landing) 0.3

2 1/2 twist
(crossed legs) 0.1

front tuck
(hop on landing) 0.1

Mitchell
(excessive preparation for dance element) 0.1

front double twist
(crossed legs) 0.1
(insufficient height) 0.1
(large step on landing) 0.3
(OOB - neutral deduction) 0.1

double twist
(crossed legs) 0.1
(hop on landing) 0.1

Artistry

• Insufficient complexity or creativity of movements throughout exercise (0.1)
• Poor corner choreography / lack of variety (0.1)

Total Deductions - (2.0) 8.0 / Actual 7.933

 

[Concorde]

Oksana Chusovitina - Vault (Finals)

Vault 1

(leg separation in preflight → greater than shoulder width) 0.3
(arch) 0.1
(excessive snap) 0.1
(body alignment / insufficient stretch) 0.3
(insufficient height) 0.3
(insufficient dynamics) 0.1
(body posture on landing, hips slightly below knees) 0.1
(hop on landing) 0.1

Total Deductions - (1.4) 8.6 / Actual 8.600

Vault 2

(leg separation in preflight → greater than shoulder width) 0.3
(insufficient height) 0.3
(insufficient dynamics) 0.1
(failure to maintain stretched position / piked down) 0.3
(landed with feet apart) 0.1
(hop on landing) 0.1

Total Deductions - (1.2) 8.8 / Actual 8.886

 

[ArnoldRimmer]

I’d argue it should be more heavily deducted if it does hit handstand. That’s not in the spirit of the skill.

 

[Denn]

I wonder if that front half vault from Chuso got layout or piked credit.

If layout, that’s the first time she’s ever done a layout front half I think. LOL

 

[ArnoldRimmer]

Doha BB Final

:1st_place_medal: Vladislava Urazova 13.200
:2nd_place_medal: Nora Peresztegi HUN 12.733
:3rd_place_medal: Angel Wong Hiu Ying HKG 12.333

Doha WAG FX Final

:1st_place_medal: Maria Minaeva 12.666
:2nd_place_medal: Daniela Batrona UKR 12.666
:3rd_place_medal: Dorina Böczögö HUN 12.433

Urazova did a bhs bhs again with no loso. I’m wondering if she’s actually incapable of doing a bhs loso? Because that seemed like such an obvious change to make in the off season, and I really assumed we’d see that once she got a couple of months in the gym without a major championship, yet here we still are.

Also, we aren’t talking enough about Angel Hiu Ying Wong doing competitions in her mid 30s. Did she retire and then unretire?

 

[Concorde]

I wonder if that front half vault from Chuso got layout or piked credit.

It was credited as 2.21 / a front pike 1/2. (The criteria for layout is showing stretched position in the ‘stand-up’ / vertical position following repulsion and maintaining it through 60 degrees from vertical once in the ‘inverted’ position.)

 

[Denn]

I know the rules. But there’s rules and application…

Thanks for the info, though.

 

[onodian]

The non-acro Russian curse continues

 

[onodian]

Actually some interesting elements/combos in both of these as well