2021 Russian Nationals (March 8-14)

[YurchenkoLoop]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...qd8uTOa60vRI0pK9rcyPXgHTLo/edit#gid=429891774

Oh wow! If you forgive their falls–including the missed .2 on Listunova’s fhs + front tuck on beam–the Russian girls do come out on top, but it’s definitely very close between all the top gymnasts in the world, excluding Simone who is of course far ahead. Tokyo could be a really great competition.

Also, totally agree with your comment re: Melnikova’s beam. It was super clean aside from the fall. Urazova’s too–the only really conspicuous deduction, aside from the fall, was her slight check on the full turn.

 

[Doug1233]

What I really enjoyed about judging those routines yday is that I had no idea about their score breakdown. It’s very clear that some of the D score calls I made were not agreed by the Russian panel. In particular, Geramasova’s sheep on beam and switch ring 1/2 on floor. I didn’t give either abd it had a big effect on requirements.

Would love to see the D/E breakdown from Russia. It seems like their release only showed total scores. We’re breakdowns shown on the broadcast?

 

[Doug1233]

Remember Uzurova didn’t fall on day 2 (which is what we are judging).

But add back Listunova’s fall on beam and she’s ahead of Chiles at Winter Cup.

Personally, I had Chiles much lower but the others didn’t agree with me ha

 

[Concorde]

Vladislava Urazova - Uneven Bars

DV:

4 x E (piked stalder full, Komova, van Leeuwen, piked Jaeger) - 2.0
4 x D (Pak salto, piked stalder 1/2, toe-on full, full twisting double tuck) - 1.6

Total DV - 3.6

CV:

piked stalder full + Komova + Pak salto + van Leeuwen (E + E + D + E, D + D or higher, D + E with x2 flight) = 0.5 CV

piked stalder 1/2 + piked Jaeger (D + E, D + D or higher) = 0.1 CV

toe-on full + full-twisting double tuck (D + D, D + D or higher) = 0.1 CV

Total CV - 0.7

CR

Flight from high bar to low bar - Pak salto
Flight element on same bar - piked Jaeger
Different Grips - Komova, piked Jaeger
Non-flight with 360 degree turn - piked stalder full

Total D - 3.6 + 0.7 + 2.0 = 6.3

Downgrades

giant 1/2

• Devalued by one letter because element was not finished within 10 degrees of handstand. No impact on D score because it isn’t a counting element

Deductions

piked stalder full

• (flexed feet) 0.1
• (turn completed past handstand → past 45 degrees of handstand) 0.5

Komova

• (flexed feet) 0.1
• (leg separation) 0.1

Pak salto

• (angle of completion → between 31 and 45 degrees of handstand) 0.3

piked stalder 1/2

• (flexed feet) 0.1

piked Jaeger

• (flexed feet) 0.1

giant 1/2

• (turn completed past handstand → between 10 and 30 degrees of handstand) 0.1

full twisting double tuck

• (flexed feet) 0.1
• (body posture on landing / chest low and forward) 0.1
• (hop on landing) 0.1
• (small step on landing) 0.1

Total E - 8.2 / -1.8

Total Score = 6.3 + 8.2 = 14.50

 

[YurchenkoLoop]

Urazova fell on her FF + FF + loso on day 2!

 

[Concorde]

Vladislava Urazova - Balance Beam

Acro:

5 x D (back handspring stepout mount, aerial, Onodi, side aerial, 2 1/2 twist dismount)

Total Acro DV - 2.0

Dance:

1 x E (Mitchell)
1 x D (double turn in tuck stand)
1 x C (switch leap)

Total Dance DV - 1.2

CV / Series Bonus

back handspring stepout mount + back handspring stepout + layout stepout (D + B + C) = 0.1 SB

switch leap + full turn with leg in Y scale + full turn (C + C + A, C + C dance, C + A turn) = 0.2 CV + 0.1 SB

aerial + split jump + Onodi (D + B + D) = 0.2 CV + 0.1 SB

round off + back handspring + 2 1/2 twist (B + B + D) = 0.1 SB

Total CV / SB = 0.5

CR

Dance Series - switch leap + full turn with leg in Y scale + full turn
Turn - Mitchell
Acro Series with Salto - back handspring stepout mount + back handspring stepout + layout stepout
Acro Elements in Different Directions - layout stepout + aerial

Total D - 3.2 + 0.5 + 2.0 = 5.7

Downgrades

back handspring stepout mount + back handspring stepout + layout stepout

• No CV due to the fall on the layout stepout

D - 3.2 + 0.4 + 2.0 = 5.6

Deductions

layout stepout

• (fall) 1.0

switch leap + full turn with leg in Y scale + full turn

• (poor rhythm of connection) 0.1

full turn

• (medium balance adjustment, whole body turns, plus torso adjustment) 0.3

Onodi

• (small balance adjustment) 0.1

2 1/2 twist

• (crossed legs) 0.1
• (deviation from ideal landing position / slight squat) 0.1
• (small hop on landing) 0.1

Total - 1.8

Artistry

• Insufficient complexity or creativity in the movements 0.1

Total E - 8.1 / -1.9

Total Score = 5.6 + 8.1 = 13.70

 

[Doug1233]

Oh yes!! Well in that case… she is a gorgeous gymnast and if she hits I think she can be a real threat. She comes across as less reliable than Listonova though?

 

[YurchenkoLoop]

As a junior she seemed really steady on beam. She didn’t fall on beam at either the 2019 Russian Cup or Junior Worlds. And she has demonstrated multiple times that, even after a large balance check, she can regain composure and finish the routine with confidence.

Her falls on beam at Championships were pretty shocking to me. This is the first time she has competed her new mount series, so perhaps moving forward it’ll be more steady.

That being said, I think I’d still trust Urazova on beam in TF more than any other Russian, besides maybe Gerasimova.

 

[Concorde]

Angelina Melnikova - Uneven Bars

DV:

3 x E (piked stalder full, van Leeuwen, piked Jaeger) - 1.5
4 x D (Maloney, Pak salto, piked stalder 1/2, full twisting double tuck) - 1.6
1 x C (toe-on 1/2 *intended toe-on full) - 0.3

Total DV - 3.4

CV:

piked stalder full + Maloney + Pak salto + van Leeuwen (E + D + D + E, D + D or higher x 2, D + E with flight) = 0.4 CV

piked stalder 1/2 + piked Jaeger (D + E, D + D or higher) = 0.1 CV

Total CV - 0.5

CR

Flight from high bar to low bar - Pak salto
Flight element on same bar - piked Jaeger
Different Grips - Maloney, piked Jaeger
Non-flight with 360 degree turn - piked stalder full

Total D - 3.4 + 0.5 + 2.0 = 5.9

Downgrades

giant 1/2

• Both giant 1/2s would have been downgraded by one letter because element was not finished within 10 degrees of handstand. No impact on D score because it isn’t a counting element

toe-on 1/2

• Devalued by one letter because element was not finished within 10 degrees of handstand.

D - 3.3 + 0.5 + 2.0 = 5.8

Deductions

piked stalder full

• (turn completed past handstand → between 31 and 45 degrees of handstand) 0.3

Pak salto

• (angle of completion → between 10 and 30 degrees of handstand) 0.1

van Leeuwen

• (slightly bent arms upon regrasp) 0.1

piked stalder 1/2

• (flexed feet) 0.1
• (turn completed past handstand → between 10 and 30 degrees of handstand) 0.1
• (balance adjustment) 0.1

piked Jaeger

• (flexed feet) 0.1
• (slightly bent arms upon regrasp) 0.1

giant 1/2

• (turn completed past handstand → between 10 and 30 degrees of handstand) 0.1

toe-on 1/2

• (turn completed past handstand → between 10 and 30 degrees of handstand) 0.1
• (balance adjustment) 0.1

giant 1/2

• (turn completed past handstand → between 10 and 30 degrees of handstand) 0.1

giant

• (slightly bent knees) 0.1

full twisting double tuck

• (slightly bent knees) 0.1
• (leg separation - greater than shoulder width) 0.3
• (hop on landing) 0.1

Total E - 8.0 / -2.0

Total Score = 5.8 + 8.0 = 13.80

 

[Concorde]

Angelina Melnikova - Balance Beam

Acro:

1 x E (double pike dismount)
3 x D (aerial, Kochetkova, side somi)

Total Acro DV - 1.7

Dance:

3 x D (switch leap mount, double turn in tuck stand, split jump 1/2)
1 x C (switch leap)

Total Dance DV - 1.5

CV / Series Bonus

switch leap mount + switch leap + split leap (D + C + B) = 0.1 CV + 0.1 SB

aerial + split jump + straddle jump (D + B + B) = 0.1 CV + 0.1 SB

Total CV / SB = 0.4

CR

Dance Series - switch leap mount + switch leap + split leap
Turn - double turn in tuck stand
Acro Series with Salto - back handspring stepout + layout stepout
Acro Elements in Different Directions - Kochetkova, side somi

Total D - 3.2 + 0.4 + 2.0 = 5.6

Deductions

switch leap

• (balance adjustment / drop of shoulder - still awarded connection because she kept moving into the split leap / no loss of tempo) 0.1

aerial

• (bent knee) 0.1

Kochetkova

• (slight balance adjustment / movement of legs and feet) 0.1

side somi

• (flexed feet) 0.1
• (balance adjustment) 0.1
• (landed with feet apart) 0.1

split jump 1/2

• (precision / left foot not fully rotated, but within 30 degrees) 0.1
• (fall) 1.0

double pike

• (deviation from ideal landing position / chest forward) 0.1
• (large step on landing) 0.3

Total - 2.1

Artistry

• Insufficient variation in rhythm and tempo) 0.1
• Insufficient complexity or creativity in the movements 0.1

Total E - 7.7 / -2.3

Total Score = 5.6 + 7.7 = 13.30

 

[Doug1233]

@Concorde we are pretty in line so far!

Has anyone found a Russian D/E breakdown anywhere?

 

[falcon9]

Is there any way to have a wiki

Yes… I’ll look into it tomorrow. And thank you for supporting the site!

EDIT:

Spreadsheet Wiki Women’s Gymn

Here you all go… this post is a wiki… so make it look all fancy if you’d like. Here is some more info on the wiki feature… https://meta.discourse.org/t/what-is-a-wiki-post/30801 https://meta.discourse.org/t/how-to-create-a-wiki-post/30802 @Doug1233 Thanks! Tokyo Olympics - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...AoPoZKEN4e8wMmgHg9i0YpMeJ0/edit#gid=725053037 Winter Cup / Russian Nationals - 2021 - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18Ct4VjtDlBNvoRP9Mqd8uTOa60vRI0pK9rcyP…

 

[Doug1233]

@Denn havent seen your Russian nationals scores yet! Are you in?

 

[YurchenkoLoop]

This junior, Diana Kustova, looks a little like a young Aliya. Kind of moves like her. Preps for her aerials on beam like her:

 

[blake]

Even her run reminds me of Aliya. The 3/1 is also quite Aliya-esque…I wonder if that’s what AR’s withdrawn comment referenced lol

When does she turn senior?

 

[YurchenkoLoop]

She’s 2007-born, so 2023. It’s worth noting her UB score in EF bested the seniors, although I think Urazova was probably cleaner. They have identical routines.

 

[ArnoldRimmer]

Nope, my withdrawn comment was referring to something or other in the Euro AA final and I put it in the wrong thread!

 

[blake]

The good ol’ Russian compulsory routine lol. She seems a bit rough but I see the potential, kinda like Aliya ca. 07-08. I love that she does a cast 1/2 turn at the end but I reeeallllyy hate the Ferrari technique on her full-in.

OT, but have any updates for the 2022-24 code come out? I wonder if Russia’s preparing in the event that their signature routine construction gets further decentivized next quad? Crazy to me how it’s been nearly a decade since Aliya debuted it in London, and how innovative it was at the time.