Event (FIG) Scoring Worlds Routines

[Aeris]

Why exactly do you think the gymnastics community needs to know and discuss which judge took which deduction? What exactly will that accomplish?

It accomplishes transparency and education. The athletes can see exactly where their deductions are coming from and everyone can directly compare the deductions taken for any given routine and be able to more clearly assess if things are being done fairly (both with regards to the judges themselves and if the rules should be changed).

Judges' total scores were already public for a long time in gymnastics, and ice skating has made each judge's full protocol public for a decade now. Nobody has been harmed as a result of everyone being able to see how a judge scored one skater's triple lutz compared to another. Transparency would be far more helpful to gymnastics than it is for ice skating actually, because the blobs of PCS numbers in ice skating essentially don't mean anything, whereas having actual itemized deductions makes things concretely measurable.

 

[Denn]

@Aeris you keep harping on and on about the same things wirhout ever listening to people who tell you otherwise.
Why exactly do you think the gymnastics community needs to know and discuss which judge took which deduction on pre-flight? What exactly will that accomplish?
It is still a sport judged by humans and as long as we see skills just once in real time, even the most brilliant judges are going to come up with different scores. Especially on vault, when execution errors are made in every phase of the skill.

Despite all of that, I'm definitely not saying everything is fine as it is. There are a lot of judges out there who have great ideas about rule changes and judging approaches who just aren't heard. I don't think you understand how hierarchical and authoritative the structures in FIG judging are. There is no system in place to (anonymously) evaluate judges' satisfaction or ask for suggestions. I think that should be the first step - and not publishing my scores and deductions for everyone to see. And it's not because I've got something to hide at all. It is common practice after all, for gymnasts and coaches to ask (nicely) about deductions and judges willingly explaining what they took. It is, because I'm not interested in being dragged through the mud for something I sacrifice vacation days, family time and money for and always do to the best of my ability and knowledge. And the ones who don't should be picked out and removed by the FIG and not an angry mob.

I cannot say how much I love this post, beginning to end. Thank you.

 

[MaryClare]

If the scores of individual judges were made public, Mr Voinea would be looking up their social media profiles as we speak

 

[rlayt]

Mr. Voinea needs to stfu.

 

[Aeris]

Nobody needs to care about the ranting of random person on social media. He also can already attempt to contact or call out the judges on social media if he wants; it's already known who was on a panel. Far more popular sports have refs making calls every day that crowds hate and those refs are managing just fine, despite highly visible social media accounts that criticize them constantly.

 

[Denn]

Nobody needs to care about the ranting of random person on social media.

This is a really good point for you to bring up.

 

[MaryClare]

This is a really good point for you to bring up.

Denn you are so naughty

 

[phoenix7]

Nobody needs to care about the ranting of random person on social media. He also can already attempt to contact or call out the judges on social media if he wants; it's already known who was on a panel. Far more popular sports have refs making calls every day that crowds hate and those refs are managing just fine, despite highly visible social media accounts that criticize them constantly.

I'd love to know exactly what skills were counted and what deductions were taken, and what artistry deductions too, but does it really add that much to know which individual judge gave what?

 

[Aeris]

I'd love to know exactly what skills were counted and what deductions were taken, and what artistry deductions too, but does it really add that much to know which individual judge gave what?

How else are the judges and FIG supposed to be held accountable?

If we have all that info available but not the judge who did it, then it's mimicking figure skating during the 2005-2014 period, where judging protocols were available but it wasn't known which judge did each score. The judges' scores were then returned to public knowledge, as they already had been up through 2002, and it's been helpful, for example, in being able to exactly see all the times Yuri Balkov was corrupt as a judge, leading to him now finally being banned.

Similarly, if judges are publicly recognized as being very good, that puts pressure on FIG to appoint them to major competitions, not just get to choose whoever they want behind closed doors.

 

[Doug1233]

• switch ring leap: -1 balance check. gorgeous shape!

Back to topic - is the rule now that the foot has to touch the crown of the head? Foot at head height (which Saraiva's clearly is) still gets a 0.1 deduction, right?

 

[phoenix7]

Back to topic - is the rule now that the foot has to touch the crown of the head? Foot at head height (which Saraiva's clearly is) still gets a 0.1 deduction, right?

BBC commentators said it had to touch, then backtracked a bit and seemed unsure, so I'm wondering about that too.

 

[Concorde]

Back to topic - is the rule now that the foot has to touch the crown of the head? Foot at head height (which Saraiva's clearly is) still gets a 0.1 deduction, right?

For a ring position to receive credit, the foot must be at least at the level of the crown of the head, but does not need to actually touch the head. And yes, 0.1 is the deduction for the foot being at head height.

BBC commentators said it had to touch, then backtracked a bit and seemed unsure, so I'm wondering about that too.

Feet not touching the head / Sufficient closure of feet to head / Open ring position was a formerly deduction for sheep jumps, but this never applied to ring elements.