British WAG (and MAG!) talk

[MaryClare]

Ok, she’s clearly very out of shape. I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s coming back after an extended break.

 

[Doug1233]

I had:

1. Jess 52.8
2. Odine 52.5
3. GMF 51.4
4. Becky 51.2
5. Jenn 51.0
   …
   (I didn’t judge Shannon Archer or Kelly Simm, so I may have had them ahead)
   …
6. Alice 49.5

Some notable differences I had with the judges (where I was 0.4 or more “out”):

• I had Jess on beam a 12.0 (5.8 + 6.2) and they had a 13.3 (6.0 + 7.3) = I was 1.3 under
• I had Alice 10.8 (5.6 + 5.2) on beam and they had 11.65 (5.6 + 6.05) = I was 0.85 under
• I had Odine on floor a 12.0 and they had 12.6
• I had Becky a 14.2 on bars and they had 13.6
• I had Alice 12.5 on floor they had 13.05
• I had Jen a 13.2 on floor and they had 13.7
• I had Jen 12.8 on bars and they had 13.2

 

[Doug1233]

Personally, I would cut Alice. Odine has a great DTY and I’m sure Jen will have hers back by Worlds.

I think a good line up would be:

(GMF/Becky) Odine, Jessica, Jennifer
(Jennifer/Jessica both in prelims) Odine, GMF (TF only), Becky
(Jennifer) Jessica, GMF, Odine
(GMF/Becky) Odine Jennifer Jessica

In prelims, Jen, Jess and Odine do AA. The fourth in the line up is awkward - obviously Becky bars, GMF beam (take the Memmel out), probably GMF on vault (she had a DTY last year). Personally, I’d put Becky on floor as GMF is a liability.

Just realised that you have a really weird situation where you can only put 4 up on bars in prelims. Obviously both Gadirovas will need to do bars in prelims for AA qualification. Becky too, obviously. Then you have to pick only one between GMF and Odine - but you’ll probably want them both doing it in TF. Might have a weird Maggie Nichols type situation where one of them sits out bars in prelims but then competes in TF. If you’re going on “who is the best AAer” then its Odine - but that sucks for GMF because she’s technically much better than Odine on bars, and she might have a long shot to make the bars final if she hits.

GB might have to literally sit out their No.2 bar worker for prelims, and then have GMF come in on TF and hit a cold set.

Also, based on the above, Becky is in quite a precarious situation. She’s only really on the team for a bar routine. Yes her other routines are nice in a pinch but she’s unlikely to be put up in AA unless she can somehow learn a DTY between now and Worlds.

 

[Gymfan93]

Alice was injured during the Olympics, wasn’t she? Wouldn’t be surprised if she’d taken some time off after.

 

[ArnoldRimmer]

@Doug1233, Alice got injured in Tokyo and had surgery when she got back, she said she tore ligaments. Think the surgery was in September but wouldn’t swear to it. I’m genuinely surprised to see her compete here, she clearly isn’t in shape or ready at all and I can’t see how she’d benefit from hurrying back so quickly. Makes me wonder if she did it because it’s part of the selection criteria for CWG and/or Euros, I don’t think we’ve seen it yet have we?

In terms of Becky, I could see her getting something this year on the basis that CWG, Euros, worlds selection and worlds are going to be so close together that it would be very hard for the same group to continue peaking. Not so sure about longer term. GB do have a bit of a bars vs format problem, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see Jessica Gadirova make a TF lineup at some point anyway. She is at least fairly consistent.

Have we got full results by event yet? I don’t have the app.

 

[MaryClare]

Alice is from the Birmingham area. Wouldn’t surprise me if commonwealth games is her goal then she’ll retire.

 

[Gymfan93]

Jessica Gadirova went 14.6 in the FX final. (8.8E). I’ll be interested to see what the Gymnaverse scoring has her at in comparison once they upload the video.

 

[RAFIKI]

I’m not a judge but that looked like AA champion/home scoring bias there.

In Tokyo she had an 8.4 with a better second and third tumble landing. Her double double was better today but she still had her standard out of control bounce out of her Gogean.

Perhaps it makes more sense relative to the others in the final.

 

[RAFIKI]

I very much enjoyed Maracha’s FX to a Les Mis medley. Her beam has some lovely moments as well. Difficulty is low but she was one of the stand outs amongst the gymnasts that were new to me.

 

[Doug1233]

Jessica Gadirova went 14.6 in the FX final. (8.8E).

Woah! Yeah I’ll take a look but it seems too high. Especially if, as Rafiki said, it wasn’t as good as her Tokyo sets.

I worry about her Switch Ring too.

 

[Gymfan93]

IMO, it wasn’t as good at her Euros sets, I’d have to watch Tokyo again to compare. Definitely a bit of scoring advantage, but the ranking was correct IMO, so nobody lost out.

 

[Doug1233]

D Panel

Silivas
Switch Full
DLO
Switch Leap (hard to tell from this angle, but I don’t think head height)
Gogean
Popa
Front Full to Double Tuck 0.1

HFCD|DBDC 0.1 = 5.7

E Panel

Silivas - leg sep 0.1, chest 0.1, step 0.1
Switch Full - body shape 0.1
DLO - feet/pike down (you could take both but I think I’d only take one in the moment) 0.1, step - 0.1
Switch Ring attempt - 0.3 body shape
Gogean - body shape (just for the bent free leg, I wouldn’t take for split), 0.1, off-balance, 0.3
Popa - nothing, but I wouldn’t be mad if you took 1 for off-balance
0.1 for the mini adjustment into the corner and a bit of a wait
Front Full - legs 0.1
Double Tuck - feet 0.1, step 0.1
Artistry - just 0.1 because I think she could make more of the corner choreo

My E = 8.2

Total 5.7 + 8.2 = 13.9

The new rule for Switch Ring really gets her IMO. It basically cancels out the new dismount bonus she’s getting, compared to the old code. She was getting high 13 to 14.0 in Tokyo.

An 8.8 is pretty high for this. Trying to give her back those six tenths, they must have not taken anything for form on the DLO (0.1), nothing for Artistry (0.1), not taken anything for the corner before the DMT (0.1), only a tenth for the Switch Ring (0.2), and then nothing for one of: (1) legs on the front full; (2) shape on either the Switch Full or the Gogean. It’s certainly justifiable, but I don’t think it is quite the Tokyo pen.

I mean, every single routine in EF FX got an 8+ in execution.

https://www.british-gymnastics.org/results/10440/Womens_Senior_Apparatus_Final_-_Floor.pdf

 

[Doug1233]

Did Becky pull out of finals? Alice won bars …?!?



Clean set to be fair to her. Not much to take except for the very late Toe Full.

 

[RAFIKI]

 

[MaryClare]

Then it makes even less sense that she’d do AA

 

[Doug1233]

4-5 week illness?! Has she had COVID?

 

[onodian]

There’s a couple of vids from Jessica’s Fx from this angle, and it’s so interesting to me how much the routine loses if I cannot see her face at all, which is pretty much the case from this angle. The Gadirovas are so good at connecting and just having a relaxed expression, it makes them look so much more in control of the routine. Bit of a random thought, but, there you go. Also, I don’t understand that beginning. The music is so much calmer, it all just looks rushed.

 

[RAFIKI]

Makes me wonder if she did it because it’s part of the selection criteria for CWG and/or Euros, I don’t think we’ve seen it yet have we?

MaryClare: I think ArnoldRimmer’s speculation about Alice might hold for Becky here; particularly given recent selection history.

 

[MaryClare]

Yes that’s a good point. Perhaps not a lot of trust in the selection criteria, and no one wants to risk being a specialist. But for Becky to compete AA for the first time in years (?) when she is unwell, is crazy

 

[Doug1233]

For her floor, I want to remove the Double Y and the Triple Turn, and replace it with a Switch Half and a Popa.

I also want her to downgrade the Switch Ring to a Split Leap.

She’s never ever ever going to get credit for the Memmel. EVER.