Simone’s Yurchenko Double Pike

[MaryClare]

Yes. She revised a number of items in the COP many years later

 

[Doug1233]

Show me the tape and i’ll tell you it was underrotated

 

[makam]

I think a case could be made for eventually calling it a Lastname-Biles vault if it is ever competed. While Biles never competed it (yet?), we have lots of good records showing her training/podium training it where some of the other examples are more in the “urban legend” category. Or were not done correctly, technically. I could also get behind naming the triple-double layout after Carey, because there is video proof of it being done correctly. And, also because there are no other gymnasts trying/doing the skills. If it is something that half the field is attempting to get named after them (Nabieva 1/2 for example) then the equation changes.

 

[MaryClare]

Fans care way more about this stuff than gymnasts do

 

[RAFIKI]

Fans care way more about this stuff than gymnasts do

I often wonder if I think more about Beth’s Olympic EF dismounts, Cheng Fei not having an Olympic FX medal, Karpenko’s big toe etc than the gymnasts themselves do.

 

[onodian]

I think karpenko probably does think about that fx routine. The others maybe not so much, but she really lost a lot there

 

[MaryClare]

I’ll be honest, I didn’t know, or frankly care that Cheng Fei doesn’t have an Olympic floor medal.

I think Beth was happy with her bronze, that’s what she was realistically aiming for and after her dismount, she was fortunate that Komova hit her foot

 

[onodian]

Komova faltered first tho, on that final. Damn just watched Beth’s 2008 set and she could be a double Olympic champion if it wasn’t for those last two skills in the routine

 

[Doug1233]

she was fortunate that Komova hit her foot

And that hitting your foot without disrupting the rhythm was even a deduction.

Beth really shouldn’t have won a medal in London.

 

[onodian]

There are judges at pt judging whether the attempt qualifies to submit right?

 

[Doug1233]

I think all judges are required to attend podium training, and the judges conference afterwards to discuss new elements but also harmonising any last minute discrepancies in advance of Prelims. I have no doubt they discussed the YDP and confirmed it at that conference.

 

[Doug1233]

I wonder if Simone regrets not entering the Tokyo bar final. 14.5 getting bronze. That could have been hers with a Double Tuck dismount.

 

[irichluck21]

I wonder if Simone regrets not entering the Tokyo bar final. 14.5 getting bronze. That could have been hers with a Double Tuck dismount.

I doubt it.
First, she would have lost start value and she had gone 6.2 to just make it into bar finals at 14.566.
Second, how was she supposed to know that others would fall or have lower D scores in finals than in TQ.

 

[Doug1233]

She made an error in prelims though. The diff between her dismount and a double tuck is 4 tenths. It could have been close.

 

[tempest]

it’s been awhile, what error did she make?

 

[ArnoldRimmer]

Logically she shouldn’t, which is of course not what you asked.

It was obvious right away that the most sensible choice was to prioritise her best remaining medal chance, which was beam. She was better there relative to the field, and nobody really saw that bars splatfest coming. Whereas it’s pretty common for a 14ish to get bronze on beam after everyone else tanks.

 

[MRR]

This was the routine:


The toe full has a leg sep (0:18) but it’s pretty reasonably to HS, and that was always a jittery element for her. The Maloney also seemed to have a bigger leg sep than usual but it might be the angle.

Still, this was comparable to most of her hit routines throughout the 2021 domestic meets, and during her Stuttgart peak she struggled to break 14.7. Taking four tenths off that and she’s at 14.3, assuming she can keep a double back to a 0.1 hop. That’s still off the requisite standard in what was one the worst bar finals in memory. Also returning to her least favorite event after everything that had happened (and the first event after she scratched in TF) was probably the last thing she wanted.

If a full-in were workable she might’ve competed, but the full-in on floor was the original source of the twisties, so much that she was going to DLO on floor and double-double off beam in TF.

 

[ArnoldRimmer]

Also I don’t think we can assume only a 0.1 hop.

I can well believe Simone might have been capable of twisties friendly routines on any of the other three events, but wouldn’t bet on her controlling the landings. That was just not a strength of hers by 2021, even on elements she was used to.

 

[RedBirdie]

And her toe-full gave her fits at times. Even in the TQ vid above, there’s a bit of struggle with it. I don’t think there’s any assurance Simone would have hit bars in EFs.

Having watched every one of her competition bar routines from 2021…oof, the Maloney was worse that I remembered. Every single time, there’s a significant leg separation as she lets go of the low bar and a second significant separation on the back swing.

 

[Doug1233]

there’s a significant leg separation as she lets go of the low bar and a second significant separation on the back swing.

I seem to recall you can only get hit 0.1 for this, as it’s the same skill. Can anyone confirm?