Event (FIG) Scoring Worlds Routines

[Puffin]

I think artistry is something that the US needs to work on more. Having watched Classic and Nationals it all seemed a bit "painting by numbers" and is giving me vibes of Tom Forster at junior world (??) where USA had a relatively poor meet because of downgraded leaps/spins - Tom said didn't realize that dance elements were that important as he had focussed on acro.

Now in the post-Simone era where the US no longer has anyone with a 1.0 point+ D score advantage - they really cannot afford to ignore the substantial number of tenths for artistry.

 

[KristyJ]

Here's a question for debate: with deductions being SO much harsher, should the deduction for a fall be more than 1.0?

I would say yes, especially because 1.0 is worth less in relation to the extreme amount of other deductions they are now taking.

 

[Passion]

I think artistry is something that the US needs to work on more. Having watched Classic and Nationals it all seemed a bit "painting by numbers" and is giving me vibes of Tom Forster at junior world (??) where USA had a relatively poor meet because of downgraded leaps/spins - Tom said didn't realize that dance elements were that important as he had focussed on acro.

Now in the post-Simone era where the US no longer has anyone with a 1.0 point+ D score advantage - they really cannot afford to ignore the substantial number of tenths for artistry.

Memmel has been beating that drum for three years.

 

[rlayt]

The big question I see is how do Memmel and Asac get that across or enforce it with coaches’ training? Another thread had a couple of posts about how they’ve tried to get the coaches to work on artistry with their gymnasts. It doesn’t seem to be taking hold.

 

[dweiss324]

Part of the problem is a depleted field. If there were ten people being appropriately scored above routines from people like Roberson, you have a lot of evidence to point out to coaches that artistry and execution are more valuable than chucked difficulty. But when the depth isn't there, there isn't anyone to take in place of Roberson, and there isn't an example to make of the approach. Roberson just won a world bronze. It's unfortunate positive reinforcement.

 

[navyblue]

Random thought but did any of the gymnasts explicitly comment that the beam had too much friction, as new beams sometimes can when the leather isn't worn in at all? This seems like an obvious explanation for all the botched wolf turns I just saw in the All Around...

 

[Denn]

Part of the problem is a depleted field. If there were ten people being appropriately scored above routines from people like Roberson, you have a lot of evidence to point out to coaches that artistry and execution are more valuable than chucked difficulty. But when the depth isn't there, there isn't anyone to take in place of Roberson, and there isn't an example to make of the approach. Roberson just won a world bronze. It's unfortunate positive reinforcement.

On vault... not an apparatus with artistry judged. I don't think that is reinforcement... and her E scores were the reason she lost gold and silver. With great execution, she had enough to win even gold.

 

[dweiss324]

Idk. Gymnasts like skinner, roberson, and even Carey only make sense to the team when the depth is not there. They start getting passed on floor and beam despite their tumbling ability, but at the end of the day they're the last ones standing.

You can point to all three as having medal success due to extenuating circumstances. Jade went the individual route, Skinner won a vault medal bc of simone's Twisties (and was not named to the team), and Roberson only made finals here bc Leanne sat down a tucked dty

 

[Livi]

But does Melnikova potentially beat Wong by a big margin on artistry? I find Wong very basic on fx

For me, definitely. I'm not a judge, but to me her choreo and music were completely unrelated to eachother. Made no sense at all.

 

[Denn]

Idk. Gymnasts like skinner, roberson, and even Carey only make sense to the team when the depth is not there. They start getting passed on floor and beam despite their tumbling ability, but at the end of the day they're the last ones standing.

You can point to all three as having medal success due to extenuating circumstances. Jade went the individual route, Skinner won a vault medal bc of simone's Twisties (and was not named to the team), and Roberson only made finals here bc Leanne sat down a tucked dty

But all 3 of them got medals on vault. Carey is the only one to medal in a floor final, and she has better execution on floor -- maybe even MUCH better -- than Skinner and Roberson, right?

That's also a sort of unfair estimation of how Roberson made finals this week. She got unfairly treated for her layout pod in qualification. If Wong had hit the DTY, and Roberson had been credited the vault she obviously did, they'd both have made finals.

 

[flappergirl]

The big question I see is how do Memmel and Asac get that across or enforce it with coaches’ training? Another thread had a couple of posts about how they’ve tried to get the coaches to work on artistry with their gymnasts. It doesn’t seem to be taking

New coaches that teach artistry need to beat out the coaches that do not