Livvy Dunne and the no good very bad take

[cuuf]

Man, I remember getting stoned on some sites (maybe here) complaining about how Livvy sold sex and getting shouted down about empowerment and its not her fault creating a stir because men look at her like that, etc etc. Now she makes a comment about scoring and everyone piles on lol.

 

[MaryClare]

Man, I remember getting stoned on some sites (maybe here) complaining about how Livvy sold sex and getting shouted down about empowerment and its not her fault creating a stir because men look at her like that, etc etc. Now she makes a comment about scoring and everyone piles on lol.

Culpability and responsibility are two different things. Does Olivia Dunne knowingly engage in and profit from activities that promote misogyny and objectification of women? Yes. Is she responsible for insuring that people who consume her content behave like decent human beings? No, their behaviour is on them.

I don’t think there is an awful lot of Livvy love on gymnaverse, but I may be wrong.

 

[IratePanda]

Culpability and responsibility are two different things. Does Olivia Dunne knowingly engage in and profit from activities that promote misogyny and objectification of women? Yes. Is she responsible for insuring that people who consume her content behave like decent human beings? No, their behaviour is on them.

I don’t think there is an awful lot of Livvy love on gymnaverse, but I may be wrong.

It's a slippery slope. She can't control her fans' behavior, but she does enable it. That makes her part of the problem.

 

[KristyJ]

I don't blame her for the misbehavior of various fans. They have the choice not to act in a degenerate way. I do have concerns about how she intentionally markets in a way that encourages that male gaze so strongly that the effects travel beyond her to other gymnasts and strong women. She has every right to do it, but I also have every right to be sad about the cultural trends it perpetuates.

 

[JaJa]

I don't blame her for the misbehavior of various fans. They have the choice not to act in a degenerate way.

And Livvy has the choice not to encourage it and monetize it.

 

[rlayt]

@cuuf I think you got your forums mixed up. I haven’t seen a lot of love for her here.

 

[IratePanda]

And Livvy has the choice not to encourage it and monetize it.

Precisely. She is willfully unenlightened.

 

[cuuf]

It's a slippery slope. She can't control her fans' behavior, but she does enable it. That makes her part of the problem.

That's always been my point, you can't really disassociate the two. Her actions are intentional and promote or re-affirm the misogynistic behavior, that's how she monetizes it. So you can't 100% claim she has no responsibility on how people respond to her.

 

[OnlyBeansOnToast]

That's always been my point, you can't really disassociate the two. Her actions are intentional and promote or re-affirm the misogynistic behavior, that's how she monetizes it. So you can't 100% claim she has no responsibility on how people respond to her.

When we all saw the video of the baying mob screaming "BRING US LIVVY!" at other gymnasts leaving a venue and her response began with "“I will always appreciate and love the support from you guys" rather than "That was completely unacceptable, I do not like it, please stop, I do not want people like you coming to see me"...