Golgota Files Abuse Complaint with FRG

[rlayt]

„Federația riscă dezafilierea!”. Un oficial din FR de Gimnastică vine cu un scenariu grav în «cazul Camelia Voinea»: „Mai sunt plângeri împotriva ei”

Steliana Curelea, ofițer safeguarding în cadrul Federației Române de Gimnastică, vorbește și despre posibila suspensare a FRG si despre alte manifestări abuzive ale Cameliei Voinea

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[cats]

Many kudos to these young women for not backing down. I cannot imagine what it is like to listen to your country argue that your coaches should have the right to abuse you.

I naively thought the “sending everyone home” option was just inept leadership, but after understanding the real consequences for the gymnasts (including messing with their education!), it’s pretty hard to see it as anything other than retaliation.

 

[Sanzhirovka]

I say get Pompilia Barbosu in to clean out the FRG

What’s going on in this video?

Because the caption seems awkward - I doubt Ana is facing bullying in the US?? Hopefully that is something lost in someone’s English writing..?

 

[ArnoldRimmer]

I think it must be? She seems pretty happy at Stanford. The bad behaviour emanating from the US was last year, over the medal furore, and the keyboard warriors have died down now. Can't think of anything else she might be referring to, unless we're about to get some further revelations.

 

[Matilda23]

I think the video is not from now but from just after the Olympics FX bronze medal problem. About the gymnasts (Ana and Jordan Chiles) getting mean messages / internet posts about the results, and possibly the Romanians supporting Sabrina over Ana. Anyone else remember?

 

[Sanzhirovka]

I think the video is not from now but from just after the Olympics FX bronze medal problem. About the gymnasts (Ana and Jordan Chiles) getting mean messages / internet posts about the results, and possibly the Romanians supporting Sabrina over Ana. Anyone else remember?

Yeah, I see now it is dated then; you’re probably right. I’ve already forgot about the FX medalling fiasco))

 

[phoenix7]

What’s going on in this video?

Because the caption seems awkward - I doubt Ana is facing bullying in the US?? Hopefully that is something lost in someone’s English writing..?

Caption seemed a bit off to me too. It's from the days of the bronze medal drama but it's pretty clear Pompilia is talking about how Romania treats children and gymnasts

 

[Ginger]

What would happen if FIG steps in and disaffiliates FRG? What would it mean for Romanian gymnasts participation in Olympics, World/European Championships, World Cups and such?

 

[MaryClare]

What would happen if FIG steps in and disaffiliates FRG? What would it mean for Romanian gymnasts participation in Olympics, World/European Championships, World Cups and such?

I don’t know what actually happens in that situation, but I remember there being talk of usag being disaffiliated

 

[Ginger]

So I asked AI and this is its answer.
If the Romanian Gymnastics Federation (FRG) were disaffiliated from the International Gymnastics Federation (FIG), the primary consequence would be the inability of Romanian athletes, officials, and teams to participate in any international competitions sanctioned by the FIG, including the Olympic Games and World Championships.
The specific consequences would be severe and far-reaching:

• Exclusion from International Events: All Romanian gymnasts would be barred from competing in FIG-governed events, which are the main pathway for international recognition and Olympic qualification.
• Loss of Funding and Support: The FRG would likely lose all funding and official support from the FIG and potentially the Romanian Olympic and Sports Committee (COSR) due to the lack of international status.
• Logistical and Financial Chaos for Athletes: Athletes would face immense instability, including potential loss of centralized training programs, funding for housing, food, and transportation, as recently seen when the FRG dissolved its national team amid scandals. Families and individual clubs would have to cover costs previously handled by the federation.
• Talent Drain: Prominent Romanian gymnasts might explore options to change their nationality to compete for another country, a process that is possible under FIG rules but involves a waiting period and the consent of both federations.
• Damage to National Prestige: Disaffiliation would be a major blow to the historic legacy of Romanian gymnastics, a country with a rich Olympic history.
• Institutional Reform Required: To regain affiliation, the FRG would likely have to undergo significant institutional reform, address the issues that led to the disaffiliation (such as unaddressed abuse allegations), and meet specific safeguarding and governance requirements set by the FIG's Gymnastics Ethics Foundation (GEF) and Disciplinary Commission.

In essence, disaffiliation would isolate Romanian gymnastics from the global stage until the federation could prove it meets the required international standards of ethics, safety, and governance.

 

[Ginger]

However, it sounds like in regards of OG, NOC could step in and send the gymnasts to Olympics (or even to other international events??).
Yes, a National Olympic Committee (NOC) can step in if a National Governing Body (NGB) is disaffiliated, or at least take actions to ensure the sport continues in the country, especially with regard to Olympic participation. The NOC has a mandate to protect athletes and the Olympic movement within its jurisdiction.
Here's how the process generally works:

• IOC Directives: The International Olympic Committee (IOC) can direct NOCs to disaffiliate or cease institutional relationships with NGBs that are part of an international federation (IF) not recognized by the IOC.
• Provisional Measures: In such cases, the NOC can establish a relationship with a new, compliant national federation (or a provisional body) to ensure the sport continues to operate and its athletes can participate in international events, including the Olympics.
• Athlete Welfare: The primary concern is the continuity of sport for athletes. The NOC is responsible for organizing its athletes' participation in the Olympic Games, and must ensure that athletes are not punished for actions beyond their control (e.g., their former NGB's governance issues).
• Ensuring Compliance: The NOC (or a newly formed NGB) must ensure compliance with the Olympic Charter and the rules of the relevant IOC-recognized International Federation.

In essence, while the NOC doesn't directly run the day-to-day operations of the sport under normal circumstances, its governing role in the Olympic movement allows it to intervene and facilitate the creation or recognition of an alternative body to safeguard the sport's future in the nation if the current NGB is disaffiliated.

 

[KristyJ]

They would have an option to create a new federation, correct? Though of course property would remain with the owner so there could be issues with that as well. Is there a way to remove training centers from the RGF via the Olympic committee or similar?

 

[rlayt]

Who are the members of the Romanian Olympic Committee? What can they do if they can do anything before FIG has to step in? FRG seems unwilling or unlikely to make the right decisions.

 

[MaryClare]

Who are the members of the Romanian Olympic Committee? What can they do if they can do anything before FIG has to step in? FRG seems unwilling or unlikely to make the right decisions.

The spokesperson for the Romanian Olympic Committee is Alina Alexoi…

 

[Puffin]

The spokesperson for the Romanian Olympic Committee is Alina Alexoi…

 

[rlayt]

I hope talented Romanians have some other avenue like dual citizenship. Barbosu got out of there just in time.

 

[MaryClare]

I hope talented Romanians have some other avenue like dual citizenship. Barbosu got out of there just in time.

Hungary, Moldova and U’raine all award citizenship by descent and a lot of people in Romania are eligible for one of these countries. However probably very few people actually exercise their right since Hungarian passport is of equal status since they are both in the EU. Moldova is a very poor country with few economic opportunities and U’raine until very recently did not permit dual citizenship

 

[MaryClare]

Latest episode tonight. Camelia shoves gymnasts off massage tables

„Du-te-n p.... mă-tii!”. Kinetoterapeutul lotului feminin de gimnastică, înjurat de Camelia Voinea. „Forțat, înjosit și amenințat”

Foti Tona, kinetoterapeutul lotului feminin de gimnastică, dezvăluie un incident halucinant petrecut în cabinetul de masaj.

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[QuietColours]

It's astonishing to me the way Romania seems willing to tear down their entire system for one athlete and coach. But I guess it's really more doubling down on the old way of doing things, that the way the people in charge were brought up wasn't wrong and how they're continuing is still the best way. Too much sunk cost for them to be able to overcome the thought process that also advantages them, too much of the goal being personal satisfaction instead of team success.

Do the higher ups still see Sabrina as the savior of Romanian gymnastics, despite everything? Or is there just too much invested in saying it to backtrack now?

 

[phoenix7]

Latest episode tonight. Camelia shoves gymnasts off massage tables

„Du-te-n p.... mă-tii!”. Kinetoterapeutul lotului feminin de gimnastică, înjurat de Camelia Voinea. „Forțat, înjosit și amenințat”

Foti Tona, kinetoterapeutul lotului feminin de gimnastică, dezvăluie un incident halucinant petrecut în cabinetul de masaj.

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That bit where she tore up physiotherapy schedules turns out to mean that yes, she literally ripped them down ...