FX EF INQUIRY (Jordan Chiles Stripped Of Bronze Medal/USAG launches appeal) PART 2

[MaryClare]

Just rewatched, and you're right! Also, watching Roberson cheering her on in the video (even rushing to the other diagonal to cheer for her again) when Carey was claiming the only spot Roberson had a chance to take for herself definitely endeared me more to Roberson.

I cannot stand her gymnastics. But everything I’ve seen of Joscelyn as person, she comes across as a really great kid. I don’t think her gymnastics is a result of her personality like with Skinner.

I don’t think the Landis were the ideal choice for her as they don’t really have experience of working with athletes with such poor foundation.

 

[RedBirdie]

Roberson is a serious case of "what if." What if she started almost anywhere but NETE? What if Hopes didn't exist and she had to come up through level 10? What if she went to an elite gym that wasn't focused on shoving even more difficulty into routines?

 

[BB12]

Jade not being 100% in Paris was one of my bigger disappointments. This routine was pretty great and I wanted to see her nail the heck out of it at the Olympics.

If nothing else, it would have saved us all from the fx final debacle. Such a shame for everyone.

 

[JaJa]

Jade not being 100% in Paris was one of my bigger disappointments. This routine was pretty great and I wanted to see her nail the heck out of it at the Olympics.

I love Jade and am still a little upset about it

 

[Doug1233]

Artistry deductions on FX from Paris have been (apparently) leaked.

Divide each total by 7. That’s your average artistry deduction, per judge (5 x E Panel and 2 x R Panel).

 

[Doug1233]

US Team Qualifications:

Suni - 2.1 (0.30 average)
Jordan - 2.4 (0.34 average)
Simone - 3.0 (0.43 average)
Jade - 4.0 (0.57 average)

US Team Final:

Suni - 2.2 (0.31 average)
Jordan - 2.8 (0.4 average)
Simone - 3.1 (0.44 average)

US All Around Final:

Suni - 1.9 (0.27 average)
Simone 3.1 (0.44 average)

US Event Final:

Jordan - 2.9 (0.41 average)
Simone - 3.6 (0.51 average)

 

[Doug1233]

Top scores (0.16 average)

 

[Doug1233]

Highest artistry deductions of the Olympics (0.59 average):

 

[Sasha]

Wow, the judges LOVED the Brazilian routines.

I'm not surprised by Jade's average, but I didn't expect Simone and Jordan to be so close.

 

[eanda]

Thanks for sharing these! This will be interesting to go through for each country, and also how compare gymnasts did in different competition phases.

 

[MaryClare]

Seems harsh on Sandoval. An attempt was made, it’s just a bit static in parts.
Laschevska whole routine just seemed that no one could be bothered, including her performance

 

[flappergirl]

I feel like the artistic deductions are helping. I enjoyed the US routines, but they didn’t hit the artistic thrill of these routines.

 

[RAFIKI]

All that work on Abi Martin’s new floor still had her near the bottom. FWIW I remember thinking it was an improvement on her British routine though.

 

[eanda]

These numbers include all four scores for complete teams in qualifying, not the three counting scores.

Team Qualifying Averages:
1. Brazil - .19
2. Japan - .29
3. China - .30
4. Canada - .31
4. Italy - .31
4. Netherlands - .31 (only 3 scores)
7. Romania - .32
8. Australia - .33
9. France - .35
10. Great Britain - .39
10. Korea - .39
12. United States - .41

Lowest deduction for each team:
1. Brazil - .16 (Saraiva and Soares)
1. Canada - .16 (Tran)
3. Romania - .21 (Ghigoarta)
4. Japan - .24 (Kishi)
5. France - .26 (Boyer)
5. Italy - .26 (Esposito)
7. Australia - .27 (McDonald)
7. China - .27 (Qiu Qiyuan)
7. Netherlands - .27 (Wevers, L.)
10. United States - .30 (Lee)
11. Korea - .31 (Yeo Seojeong)
12. Great Britain - .34 (Fenton)

Highest deduction for each team:
1. Brazil - .24 (Barbosa)
2. China - .31 (Zhou Yaquin and Ou Yushan)
3. Japan - .36 (Ushioku)
3. Netherlands - .36 (Visser)
5. Australia - .37 (Pass)
6. Italy - .39 (Andreoli)
7. Romania - .40 (Cosman and Voinea)
8. France - .44 (Van Eijken)
9. Canada - .46 (Lee)
9. Korea - .46 (Eom Dohyun)
11. Great Britain - .51 (Martin)
12. United States - .57 (Carey)

 

[RAFIKI]

Thanks for the number crunching and routine links. This is fascinating

 

[phoenix7]

So floor artistry was decisive for team bronze - Brazil was .2 ahead of Great Britain, with a floor artistry advantage of about .7 as well as event final gold and bronze. That seems reasonable in all cases, but the differences in scores are greater than I'd thought.

 

[RAFIKI]

I was just coming here to post about this being the difference between team bronze and 4th. Course Kinsella’s UB dismount, Evans’ VT and Downie’s BB all could have swung it the other way on a given day as well (Brazil also had mistakes).

I wonder if coaches (from multiple countries) will take note and do even more artistry work..

 

[phoenix7]

I was quite struck by the New York Times story @Passion posted a couple of pages back about Simone's choreographer. I realize these accounts won't always give the full picture. But the choreographer seemed to be thinking in terms of drama and theatricality, Simone telling her story, rather than the specific requirements of artistry in gymnastics.

https://gymnaverse.com/threads/fx-e...-usag-launches-appeal-part-2.3161/post-108009

 

[RedBirdie]

That choreographer could have come up with a routine that ticked every artistry box the WTC came up with, but that fact is Simone simply isn't capable of performing her choreo in a way that doesn't result in a bunch of deductions.

That said, US choreography is pretty bad, and the situation is worsened by gymnasts who have little training in the finer points of performing choreography. Some of them have looked flat out bored.

 

[IratePanda]

That choreographer could have come up with a routine that ticked every artistry box the WTC came up with, but that fact is Simone simply isn't capable of performing her choreo in a way that doesn't result in a bunch of deductions.

That said, US choreography is pretty bad, and the situation is worsened by gymnasts who have little training in the finer points of performing choreography. Some of them have looked flat out bored.

Kathy Johnson weeps.