2023 Arthur Gander Memorial (11/1) and Swiss Cup (11/5)

[irichluck21]

Arthur Gander participants

Swiss Cup teams:

• Switzerland - Stefanie Siegenthaler, Anny Wu, Christian Baumann and Florian Langenegger
• United States - Jade Carey and Yul Moldauer
• France - Mélanie de Jesus dos Santos and Jim Zona
• Türkiye - Bengisu Yildiz and Adem Asil
• Italy - Manila Esposito and Yumin Abbadini
• Germany - Pauline Schäfer-Betz and Lukas Dauser
• Austria - Bianca Frysak and Askhab Matiev (or maybe Vinzenz Höck who was mentioned in Frysak’s announcement but then Matiev was announced…)
• Japan - Chiaki Hatakeda and Kazuma Kaya

 

[Ginger]

Arthur Gander participants


Swiss Cup teams:

• Switzerland - Stefanie Siegenthaler, Anny Wu, Christian Baumann and Florian Langenegger
• United States - Jade Carey and Yul Moldauer
• France - Mélanie de Jesus dos Santos and Jim Zona
• Türkiye - Bengisu Yildiz and Adem Asil
• Italy - Manila Esposito and Yumin Abbadini
• Germany - Pauline Schäfer-Betz and Lukas Dauser
• Austria - Bianca Frysak and Askhab Matiev (or maybe Vinzenz Höck who was mentioned in Frysak’s announcement but then Matiev was announced…)
• Japan - Chiaki Hatakeda and Kazuma Kaya

So Hatakeda having another chance to get that triple L named…
Which reminds me, does Jade still train that laid out triple double?

 

[Passion]

Which reminds me, does Jade still train that laid out triple double?

She no longer trains triple doubles.

 

[tempest]

speaking of triple doubles, Has Simone said anything about hers? Like the YDP, I doubt we will see it again

 

[makam]

speaking of triple doubles, Has Simone said anything about hers? Like the YDP, I doubt we will see it again

I think we’ll see the YDP, it is too valuable to ignore and she lands it the majority of the time. If she has a few more months to train and dial it in, she might even forgo spotting. But if she does drop it and make the Cheng her primary vault, she has no lead on Andrade after vault, probably not after bars, and then has to make it up on beam and floor.

I don’t know if she will upgrade her floor, I know i liked the control she had over everything some of the time this year and polishing that up might do more for her score than upgrades.

 

[RichardL]

I think we’ll see the YDP, it is too valuable to ignore and she lands it the majority of the time. If she has a few more months to train and dial it in, she might even forgo spotting. But if she does drop it and make the Cheng her primary vault, she has no lead on Andrade after vault, probably not after bars, and then has to make it up on beam and floor.

I don’t know if she will upgrade her floor, I know i liked the control she had over everything some of the time this year and polishing that up might do more for her score than upgrades.

Crazy to think that without Biles we would be seeing Andrade as so insanely dominant. She’s now medaled on every apparatus in World EFs just like Biles, and I think Mustafina was the last gymnast to accomplish that since Khorkina? Is that right?

 

[makam]

It will be interesting to see if Jade has improved. The extra time seemed very beneficial to most of the PanAm team, wonder if she has been able to capitalize on it too.

Any idea if it will be streamed?

 

[Hatsumomo]

speaking of triple doubles, Has Simone said anything about hers? Like the YDP, I doubt we will see it again

Do you mean the TTY?

 

[rlayt]

I think he meant her triple double on floor.

 

[rlayt]

Since this is his next competition I thought I’d post this I Gymnasticsville article about Yul.

Yul Moldauer Gymnastics Renaissance: A Season of Triumph and a World Team Selection - GymnasticsVille

Explore the 'Yul Moldauer Gymnastics Renaissance' as we dive into his triumphant season, leadership at the 2023 Xfinity U.S. Gymnastics Championships, and his pivotal role in rallying Team USA for the upcoming World Championships.

gymnasticsville.com

 

[Passion]

Moldauer reclaims Memorial Arthur Gander all-around title • USA Gymnastics

Yul Moldauer (Arvada, Colo./5280 Gymnastics) returned to the top of the medal stand Wednesday at the Memorial Arthur Gander, winning the men's all-around title.

usagym.org

 

[Passion]

 

[makam]

So, uh, did Melanie fall twice on UB? 3 times? A 5.7E score?

 

[Passion]

So, uh, did Melanie fall twice on UB? 3 times? A 5.7E score?

 

[makam]

Huh. Are those scores way harsh for one fall? Like, even short casts and leg form (okay, melanie’s dismount too) don’t seem like they add up to that much off…but im not a judge.

 

[Passion]

Huh. Are those scores way harsh for one fall? Like, even short casts and leg form (okay, melanie’s dismount too) don’t seem like they add up to that much off…but im not a judge.

This video has a different angle, she hits her feet on the mat after the Ezhova.

 

[RedBirdie]

Fascinating. Gymnasts who competed beam beat the gymnasts that did not.

 

[onodian]

Ooooh nemour is going for loso mount-loso

This woman knows how to make us love her

 

[navyblue]

Crazy to think that without Biles we would be seeing Andrade as so insanely dominant.

I think it’s still exciting to recognize that Biles is no longer ‘unbeatable’, not because of any regression in her skills, but because of how terrific Andrade has become.

Pulling from her best performances at Worlds and (the legitimately scored) Pan Ams we have reason to believe she could go as high as 15.300 + 14.700 + 14.300 + 14.500, aka 58.800 all-around if all the stars aligned in a single meet.

Now, Simone at her absolute best still has at ~1.0 point margin (1.5 if she did the YDP sans spot), but even on a mixed bag, not-exactly-catastrophic meet she could be beaten. That’s new!

I don’t know if she will upgrade her floor, I know i liked the control she had over everything some of the time this year and polishing that up might do more for her score than upgrades.

I visually love the look of her Moors if she could bring it back. But, criminally, it would only constitute a one tenth upgrade from her Chuso. Booo. If she can focus on overtwisting her Gogean so that fickle judges stop stripping her of it, that would be worth her time…

 

[KristyJ]

I honestly think Simone likes having the competition, too. In an odd way, it could take some pressure off.