Romania

[irichluck21]

That skill is hard to keep pretty and land with a stick so that's why its not used. 1/1 giant to double tuck get the job done and much easier to stick.

 

[Aeris]

Disagree with it being hard to stick. Double tuck is generally safe for NCAA, but I've seen a few who could benefit from another option. Double tuck is also more prone to form deductions in elite and only B rated. I see so many elite routines going for sub-D rated dismounts that aren't worthwhile. They could be doing a hip hecht without twist for B dismount that is practically impossible to mess up, and work towards adding a twist or salto (Elze Guerts does that well). I think most people just don't realize it even exists.

 

[RedBirdie]

No one trains hip hechts these days. A hip hecht full is a dead-end skill, doubly so for elite, that's why hip hechts aren't taught. No one is going to teach hip hechts and hip hecht fulls when they can teach a double back that can potentially turn into various twisting variations or a double layout and all of it's twisting variations.

 

[MaryClare]

No one trains hip hechts these days. A hip hecht full is a dead-end skill, doubly so for elite, that's why hip hechts aren't taught. No one is going to teach hip hechts and hip hecht fulls when they can teach a double back that can potentially turn into various twisting variations or a double layout and all of it's twisting variations.

Yes, this is exactly.

It’s also why on the rare occasions we see UB dismounts that are not double saltos, they are toe on or salto led. Because gymnasts train these skills already.

 

[Aeris]

That's absolutely not true about the hip hecht root being a dead-end skill. The hip/clear hecht salto is a D dismount and minimizes form errors, and there are further twisting variations that can be performed. The hip salto 1/2 would be a more achievable E for the majority of gymnasts than a mustafina IMO, and it's much more connectable than a double layout upgrade.

And it takes relatively little to train a basic B hip hecht. It's something any elite can do and would improve their score over whatever other B/C dismount they're doing that's often getting .3 or more deduction. A fair number of gymnasts never progress past competing a B/C dismount, or have very shitty form on their D dismounts (eating tons of deduction). It's a failure of coaching to have them only do those dismounts when a possible better option exists.