Men Historical MAG Codes

[Aeris]

Does anyone have a link to the codes from the 90's and 00's? I can not seem to find them online anywhere.

 

[eanda]

I think I have 2009 and 2013. It may be this weekend before I can look and upload.

If you are interested in going further back, Gymnastics-History.com is a great resource, with several CoP going back to 1949.

 

[Aeris]

I was specifically looking for the 1992-2008 period, but it would be nice to get the 2009 one uploaded too. https://gymnasticsresults.com/technical/code-of-points/ - currently only has the MAG codes going back to 2013, which is a shame since that's a nice resource to have them all in one place online.

I was talking to someone who thought Jamie Natalie should have been on the 2000 Olympic MAG team, but when I looked at his routines that year I was not impressed (aside from High Bar). His Floor Routine was shockingly low on content, with only two tumbling passes, both of which only contained C-rated skills. I thought "there's no way this can be anywhere close to a 10 start value", but based on his score it must have been at least a 9.9 start, and the commentator say his 2nd pass of Whip (A) + 1.5 (C) + Rudi (C, maybe D at the time? but it was already only a C in WAG!) "earns him 5 tenths of bonus", which is absolutely crazy for 2000.

 

[eanda]

Wow ! That debate takes me back ! I would have to go back and watch again to remember where I fell on it all.

I’ll send any files I find to gymnastics-results in bc addition to posting here.

 

[Concorde]

I was talking to someone who thought Jamie Natalie should have been on the 2000 Olympic MAG team, but when I looked at his routines that year I was not impressed (aside from High Bar). His Floor Routine was shockingly low on content, with only two tumbling passes, both of which only contained C-rated skills. I thought "there's no way this can be anywhere close to a 10 start value", but based on his score it must have been at least a 9.9 start, and the commentator say his 2nd pass of Whip (A) + 1.5 (C) + Rudi (C, maybe D at the time? but it was already only a C in WAG!) "earns him 5 tenths of bonus", which is absolutely crazy for 2000.

If I remember correctly, Whip (B) + 1 1/2 Twist (C) + Layout Rudi (C) earned 0.5 in bonus due to value raising.

1. B (Whip) + C (1 1/2 Twist) become a D element.
2. D + C (Layout Rudi) become an E element.
3. D + E = 0.1 for the D, + 0.2 for the E + 0.2 CV = 0.5 total bonus

 

[Aeris]

Yeesh, very ridiculous, hopefully someone will be able to post these old codes in full. That combo in WAG was only worth .3 at the time.

I wonder what happened to the Whip in MAG, I haven't seen one in forever. With 10 skills being counted it was still worthwhile enough for some people to count as a B with the +.1 connection bonus, especially since 2022 when they removed connection bonus from single-salto connections with twists (aka, the Whip and Front layout still receive connection bonus with a D single salto skill, but something like a 2.5 twist + front 1/1 doesn't!). Even with only 8 skills being counted now, it can still be worthwhile for people who aren't able to do the more valuable front tumbling connections. Like this routine:

Double Front
Whip (B) + 2.5 (D) + Layout (B), +.2 cv
Triple or Double twist (side pass)
non-acro skill
Whichever D+ skill you most prefer
Double salto dismount