NCAA 2027 Commits

[GEMINAM]

Literally none of your post makes sense. It’s not that I necessarily disagree, but I’ve read it several times now and I’ve no idea what point you’re trying to get across. It’s like you’re trying to be “body positive” whilst being critical of other people’s bodies…

My reply was because it sounded like Liv is being "body shamed" yet none of the other women that put their bodies out there in a swimsuit spread get the same hate when it is more or less the same thing... I for sure don't/didn't body shame anyone. The Simone portion I guess didn't quite belong. The moral to the story for me is that these girls taking a few pics for their recruiting shouldnt cause a distaste for anyone, they are strong beautiful hard working kids that feel beautiful and powerful putting on that leotard for a school that they could be competing for.

 

[MaryClare]

My reply was because it sounded like Liv is being "body shamed" yet none of the other women that put their bodies out there in a swimsuit spread get the same hate when it is more or less the same thing... I for sure don't/didn't body shame anyone. The Simone portion I guess didn't quite belong. The moral to the story for me is that these girls taking a few pics for their recruiting shouldnt cause a distaste for anyone, they are strong beautiful hard working kids that feel beautiful and powerful putting on that leotard for a school that they could be competing for.

Nope, still don’t understand what you’re trying to say.

I think you’ve just taken the initial comment way too personally and out of context and now you’re just rambling in your overreaction because you don’t actually know what you’re objecting to.

There is a well established view that women athletes in artistic sports are objectified and glamourised in ways that those in other sports are not. It’s the reason why many people dislike the heavy makeup and blinged up leotard look. Because it presents the sport in a certain way and plays to certain misconceptions about the sport and its athletes that I think we’d all agree are negative and should be discouraged. That your daughter (or anyone else) enjoys it, feels confident, empowered etc or whatever excuse you want to give, doesn’t mean that the bigger issue doesn’t exist.

 

[GEMINAM]

Nope, still don’t understand what you’re trying to say.

I think you’ve just taken the initial comment way too personally and out of context and now you’re just rambling in your overreaction because you don’t actually know what you’re objecting to.

There is a well established view that women athletes in artistic sports are objectified and glamourised in ways that those in other sports are not. It’s the reason why many people dislike the heavy makeup and blinged up leotard look. Because it presents the sport in a certain way and plays to certain misconceptions about the sport and its athletes that I think we’d all agree are negative and should be discouraged. That your daughter (or anyone else) enjoys it, feels confident, empowered etc or whatever excuse you want to give, doesn’t mean that the bigger issue doesn’t exist.

First off you don't get to tell me what i am or am not saying. There in fact isn't and "established" view.. Maybe a view that you and some may have, but established is again FAR FETCHED. What on earth does a blinged out leo say exactly? I have a daughter in the sport and she is a D1 athlete..
We will agree to disagree. Have a wonderful day!

 

[Passion]

What on earth does a blinged out leo say exactly?

It says this is a pageant, not a sport.

 

[GEMINAM]

It says this is a pageant, not a sport.

 

[GEMINAM]

The girls love to express themselves with a beautiful leotard. If a pageant girl is out there doing double doubles, arabians, full-ins then wow! ha ha! What an outlook! ha ha

 

[BB12]

Nope, still don’t understand what you’re trying to say.

I think you’ve just taken the initial comment way too personally and out of context and now you’re just rambling in your overreaction because you don’t actually know what you’re objecting to.

There is a well established view that women athletes in artistic sports are objectified and glamourised in ways that those in other sports are not. It’s the reason why many people dislike the heavy makeup and blinged up leotard look. Because it presents the sport in a certain way and plays to certain misconceptions about the sport and its athletes that I think we’d all agree are negative and should be discouraged. That your daughter (or anyone else) enjoys it, feels confident, empowered etc or whatever excuse you want to give, doesn’t mean that the bigger issue doesn’t exist.

At the same time, you are projecting other issues onto some 16 year olds having fun on a recruiting visit. There is no need to do that either.

Why cant we just like these teenagers enjoy themselves? Frankly, they are the only people whose opinion on the recruiting photo shoot actually matter since they are the ones having it. If they didn't want that aspect of the visit or like the overall product, they wouldn't so eagerly post them on social media.

 

[MaryClare]

At the same time, you are projecting other issues onto some 16 year olds having fun on a recruiting visit. There is no need to do that either.

Why cant we just like these teenagers enjoy themselves? Frankly, they are the only people whose opinion on the recruiting photo shoot actually matter since they are the ones having it. If they didn't want that aspect of the visit or like the overall product, they wouldn't so eagerly post them on social media.

They are not my views. My background is mainly RG, where even in lower level competitions, costumes are bespoke designs and hair and make up are done by hired professionals. Indeed such is the paradox of Russia that if you go to a RG competition in the south, you will see lines and lines of Muslim girls who look like they’ve been styled by Liberace.

I was merely putting forward why some people view a particular type of NCAA photoshoots negatively

 

[BB12]

They are not my views. My background is mainly RG, where even in lower level competitions, costumes are bespoke designs and hair and make up are done by hired professionals. Indeed such is the paradox of Russia that if you go to a RG competition in the south, you will see lines and lines of Muslim girls who look like they’ve been styled by Liberace.

I was merely putting forward why some people view a particular type of NCAA photoshoots negatively

And none of that RG expereince has anything to do with the NCAA recruiting visits or what the people having the visits enjoy doing.

 

[MaryClare]

And none of that RG expereince has anything to do with the NCAA recruiting visits or what the people having the visits enjoy doing.

That some people enjoy doing something doesn’t mean it’s a good thing.

I would have thought it was fairly obvious that no one with an RG background would have objections to gymnasts being portrayed for their glamour rather than their athleticism. That is why I mentioned it. But it would appear I have over estimated my fellow board members ability to apply nuance.

 

[hmmmm]

It says this is a pageant, not a sport.

As a non US person....I would think it should be a place of higher learning first and foremost.

 

[RedBirdie]

Kyra DiCello to Kentucky

 

[Sasha]

What kind of commie lunacy is that?

(I agree, and as much as I enjoy NCAA, I'm glad our universities aren't funnelling that kind of resources into sports.)

 

[IratePanda]

I'm not even sure what we're arguing about anymore. But as a parent and a college professor, I'm here to say that Livvy Dunne is a blight on humanity.

 

[BB12]

That some people enjoy doing something doesn’t mean it’s a good thing.

I would have thought it was fairly obvious that no one with an RG background would have objections to gymnasts being portrayed for their glamour rather than their athleticism. That is why I mentioned it. But it would appear I have over estimated my fellow board members ability to apply nuance.

It's also not a bad thing. Teenagers getting dressed up and taking photos on their visits in fun leotards hurts no one.

And take your poor attempt at an insult to mine and other posters intelligence elsewhere.

 

[blueghost]

Ok peeps… here’s one…

 

[makam]

I wonder what the general reaction would be if the track and swimming athletes started blinging out their uniforms. And think how rhinestones could change an outdoor tennis match ("Ah! I was blinded by her sparkle and missed the lob."). We don't see basketball players with flesh mesh cutouts and archery athletes don't wear essentially backless uniforms.

(I get, I do. My little heart loves sparkly stuff but time and place also matter to some extent. Compared to many other sports, gymnastics looks like a pageant which I think devalues the athleticism and work the athletes put in to the non-insider audience. Pretty little girls, dancing around and all that, when women's sports are already often disrespected. The infantalising commentary that elite gymnasts get exacerbates the problem, no doubt. NCAA did better with KJC, but with her gone...well, we'll see. I'm not going to touch RG and artistic swimming costumes and make-up with a 10 ft pole)

 

[MaryClare]

I wonder what the general reaction would be if the track and swimming athletes started blinging out their uniforms. And think how rhinestones could change an outdoor tennis match ("Ah! I was blinded by her sparkle and missed the lob."). We don't see basketball players with flesh mesh cutouts and archery athletes don't wear essentially backless uniforms.

(I get, I do. My little heart loves sparkly stuff but time and place also matter to some extent. Compared to many other sports, gymnastics looks like a pageant which I think devalues the athleticism and work the athletes put in to the non-insider audience. Pretty little girls, dancing around and all that, when women's sports are already often disrespected. The infantalising commentary that elite gymnasts get exacerbates the problem, no doubt. NCAA did better with KJC, but with her gone...well, we'll see. I'm not going to touch RG and artistic swimming costumes and make-up with a 10 ft pole)

I agree entirely. As I said in another post, I don’t personally object to sparkle. But I think the issue with NCAA is that it trades on certain things for it’s popularity even though it’s now popular enough to not need to.

 

[RedBirdie]

Notable visits and commits over the weekend:

Kyra DiCello committed to Kentucky

Cambry Haynes and Camryn Shepard committed to Arkansas

Maddy Morin and Flora Sherman committed to Michigan State

Myla Ruck committed to LSU

Visits:
Alabama: Kennedy Abercrombie, Reagan Nowak, Galilee Vestnys
Arizona: Aaliyah Coleman
Cal: Camie Westerman
Kentucky: Kyra DiCello, Emma Belle Gaskins
LSU: Tatum Drusch, Josie Lynch, Jada Oliver, Myla Ruck, Kiari Sparks
Maryland: Violet Kloiber
Michigan: Catherine Guy, Payton McClain, Madeline Simpson
Missouri: Madyson Boyd, Adelia Occhipinti
UNC: Halle Shea Wittenbrg