Event 2025 US Nationals Senior Women Day 1 (Friday, August 8, 2025)

[Aeris]

how much harder even a pikey Cheng is than a Pod

Of course it's harder, but the number of people who have been able to materialize a creditable Cheng when they are unable to get credited for a Lopez (at least not consistently) is very high now. There's no other instance in gymnastics of suddenly being able to do a 1.4 higher D-score vault. That's a greater score difference than going from a single twisting Yurchenko to an Amanar, which of course never happens. In recent years there are now more Chengs appearing out of nowhere than there are Amanars from people who already had a solid double Yurchenko. The point of this all being - the code is deeply flawed and the Cheng is most "bang-for-your-buck" vault to train.

 

[Sanzhirovka]

Thanks - not sure why so many of the US WAGs are clinging on to the scary double pikes where they land with their noses on their knees - they must be losing far more in E than they gain for the 0.1 D.

I might be interesting to compare average deductions for double tucks vs double pikes.

 

[Doug1233]

Isn’t that good in an individual worlds?

only if she’s top 2 AA

 

[Doug1233]

Of course it's harder, but the number of people who have been able to materialize a creditable Cheng when they are unable to get credited for a Lopez (at least not consistently) is very high now. There's no other instance in gymnastics of suddenly being able to do a 1.4 higher D-score vault. That's a greater score difference than going from a single twisting Yurchenko to an Amanar, which of course never happens. In recent years there are now more Chengs appearing out of nowhere than there are Amanars from people who already had a solid double Yurchenko. The point of this all being - the code is deeply flawed and the Cheng is most "bang-for-your-buck" vault to train.

It’s absolutely the case that, if you can do a decent pike half, training that extra full twist will give you more bump to your d score than any other upgrade across the entirety of your AA set.

it’s why skye, jordan and leanne were all trying to crank one out last year. it’s why jess tore her knee up trying to do it. it’s such a valuable (but dangerous) upgrade.

the cheng was Jordan’s path to Paris, absent 3 of the top contenders going down. which, fortunately for her, happened.

 

[RedBirdie]

Hang and Pease also have two vaults, not sure why they didn't compete them here. This isn't really a U.S. problem this year, there aren't really any vaulters anywhere. Same with bars!

Pease did two vaults. DTY and Pod (she was going for a Lopez). 13.275 average because she landed super short on the DTY.

No idea why Hang didn't do two vaults.