Big 10s

cftmoonlight79 · 2025-03-02T18:10:59-0600

Anyone know the format for Big 10s this year?

RedBirdie · 2025-03-02T18:22:36-0600

Three sessions of 4 teams.

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cftmoonlight79 · 2025-03-02T18:45:55-0600

Oh wow. I was wondering about that. So it'll be a big thing to make that 3rd session

cftmoonlight79 · 2025-03-02T18:49:28-0600

So according to Twitter these Big 4 meets decide the seeding into Big 10s? Saying currently UCLA and Minn locked into night session with Nebraska the next one due to Big 4 scores. I hadn't heard this fact.

cftmoonlight79 · 2025-03-02T18:51:35-0600

And now those tweets are gone

Regionals · 2025-03-02T19:14:03-0600

Based on these two links, it seems to me that the seeding at Big 10’s is determined by in-conference record, especially since the second link is titled “standings” and is entirely based on win-loss. Note that the second link is not yet updated from today’s two Big4 sessions, but does have last night’s session included.

https://bigten.org/article/bltbd20bf724ba4e0d5/

https://bigten.org/wgym/standings/

cftmoonlight79 · 2025-03-02T19:15:40-0600

Well since the tweets got removed, I'm guessing they were inaccurate

Conference records would make sense.

RedBirdie · 2025-03-02T19:29:07-0600

Going by conference records rather than NQS could result in some interesting seedings for 5-8 and 9-12.

Regionals · 2025-03-02T19:44:15-0600

RedBirdie said:
Going by conference records rather than NQS could result in some interesting seedings for 5-8 and 9-12.

Like Nebraska being in a lower session than a team they’re ranked more than 10 spots above.

irichluck21 · 2025-03-03T10:42:29-0600

In the past the Big 5s were used to determine seeding. Top 2 in each meet earned the night session, while the bottom 3 in each meet earned the afternoon session.
In 2022, this was eliminated and seeding was based on NQS.
As far as I know, it is still determined by NQS.

The Big Four meets/ previously Big 5 meets are now used to ensure that all Big Ten teams face each other in the season so that a regular season conference champion can be chosen.
With 12 Big Ten teams, it would be impossible to meet every team in season while also have room for other meets.

UCLA is the Big Ten regular season champions as they went undefeated in conference play.

Right now according to NQS these are the sessions:
Session 1: 9 Iowa 10 Maryland 11 Washington 12 Rutgers
Session 2: 5 Nebraska 6 Ohio State 7 Illinois 8 Penn State
Session 3: 1 UCLA 2 Michigan State 3 Minnesota 4 Michigan

ETA: Unless they went back to seeding according to league record. But not every team faces each other in the season. For example UCLA is 9-0 but had not faced Iowa or Minnesota. So I am pretty sure it is NQS.

Regionals · 2025-03-03T11:03:54-0600

irichluck21 said:
In the past the Big 5s were used to determine seeding. Top 2 in each meet earned the night session, while the bottom 3 in each meet earned the afternoon session.
In 2022, this was eliminated and seeding was based on NQS.
As far as I know, it is still determined by NQS.

The Big Four meets/ previously Big 5 meets are now used to ensure that all Big Ten teams face each other in the season so that a regular season conference champion can be chosen.
With 12 Big Ten teams, it would be impossible to meet every team in season while also have room for other meets.

UCLA is the Big Ten regular season champions as they went undefeated in conference play.

Right now according to NQS these are the sessions:
Session 1: 9 Iowa 10 Maryland 11 Washington 12 Rutgers
Session 2: 5 Nebraska 6 Ohio State 7 Illinois 8 Penn State
Session 3: 1 UCLA 2 Michigan State 3 Minnesota 4 Michigan

ETA: Unless they went back to seeding according to league record. But not every team faces each other in the season. For example UCLA is 9-0 but had not faced Iowa or Minnesota. So I am pretty sure it is NQS.

From the link I posted yesterday: "Team seeding is determined by the final Big Ten regular season standings. In the event of a tie, head-to-head results shall be used. If there is still a tie, team NQS following the Big Four meets shall be used."

https://bigten.org/article/bltbd20bf724ba4e0d5/

That sounds to me like NQS is the last resort, not what is primarily being used to seed.

Here is their standings page after all three Big 4 meets were completed:

https://bigten.org/wgym/standings/

irichluck21 · 2025-03-03T11:13:08-0600

Got it...so they went back to standings. Interesting as not every team faces each other in the Big Ten.

RedBirdie · 2025-03-03T12:08:12-0600

So right now we have the following, with their NQS rankings

Session 1 (seeds 9-12): #19 Nebraska, #23 Ohio State, #42 Rutgers, #37 Washington

Session 2 (seeds 5-8): #32 Iowa, #27 Penn State, #33 Maryland, #26 Illinois

Session 3 (seeds 1-4): #3 UCLA, #15 Minnesota, #8 Michigan State, #17 Michigan

Absolutely absurd that two teams in session 1 are ranked above all teams in session2 by NQS!