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And yet we had other parents asking us, basically, what the hell was wrong with us, why didn't we want this for our child, how could we not push our child, now he has no chance to play travel/high school/college/pro. HE'S SEVEN.
My nine-year-old competes at a moderate level in an entirely non-gymnastic sport where I recently heard a parent shouting at their seven-year-old because he was playing around with his friends in between races and - this is a direct quote - "you're not here to have fun, you're here to win". I have told various people inside and outside the sport that if I ever start behaving like that they have permission to punch me.
 
My son is two, with a summer birthday. People have been criticizing us since he was less than a year old because we don't plan to red shirt him in kindergarten unless there's a developmental reason--we aren't going to default to it for him to have a better chance at sports.

We also hear "He's so strong and coordinated! It's too bad he's so little!" (20th percentile and likely to stay there). He. Is. Two.
 
I don't know what the fuck is wrong with some people.

I blame the internet. First, because of the number of people who want their kid to get to some magic number of Instagram followers so they can become either the next Livy or, failing that, land a "brand ambassadorship" for a scrunchie company. Second, because in the 80s and 90s it was that much harder to find a provider of whatever sport you're into and get your kid enrolled and arrange private lessons and so on, took some effort and visits to the library and writing to governing bodies. So a generation of kids were "denied" the chance to chase their dreams but have now been enabled to live vicariously instead. And third because the absolute worst parents in the world now have a platform from which to broadcast their batshit child-wrangling to the universe, thus increasing awareness.
 
My son is two, with a summer birthday. People have been criticizing us since he was less than a year old because we don't plan to red shirt him in kindergarten unless there's a developmental reason--we aren't going to default to it for him to have a better chance at sports.

We also hear "He's so strong and coordinated! It's too bad he's so little!" (20th percentile and likely to stay there). He. Is. Two.
Same scenario for my summer birthday kid! So baffling!
 
My niece is in softball and it is camps, travel team, private lessons to the point where the family has to schedule vacations for the other 3 around the softball season. Kid is 12. I have no idea if she is D1 scholarship level because that is six years away. She could lose interest, blow out her shoulder, or any number of things. And my brother is the coach so God knows if she would actually feel comfortable saying "you know, I think i am done with softball..." and the D1 school she plays for has to be semi-local so they can go to the games. I can't even fathom revolving my life around a sport, much less my kid's sport. And making the rest of the family revolve around it too, but I guess it is in many sports, not just gymnastics that this happens.

At least they aren't pimping my niece on social media...
 
Like I knew it was a thing, but I couldn't believe my eyes when last year, during my 6 year old's community soccer game, the volunteer coach started reaming out his own son in front of all of us after a missed goal, and the kid ran off crying. Another parent kept stepping into the field shouting at his 6 year old son to be more aggressive and out front despite the coach putting him on defense! Like, he routinely interrupted the match to shout at his son!

It makes me feel like I'm missing something, like it's so normalized to be absolutely obsessive about your kids' sports, that I can't relate to other parents about it.
 
Ok so reading the article, all 3 of there 9/10 coaches were suspended basically for the season. Being from Region 5, we have beem with them at many meets and I don't remember any other coaches. I wonder what the gymnasts will do. Hopefully they find a great gym to train at, what else is nearby?
 
Oh got it. It's still a lot for one person, although it looked like Perea was their coaching. I wonder if Andi is coaching there 🤔
 
It's still a huge issue. They're suspended from all contact: "the individual is not permitted any contact with any USA Gymnastics-sanctioned event, member club, professional member or athlete involved with USA Gymnastics member clubs or events." How does that even work in this case? Jiani is married to Yuejiu! Presumably they live together. Never mind the whole "owns a USAG member club but isn't allowed to have any involvement." And Legacy Elite is not like the MG Elite/Monmouth situation where Monmouth ditched USAG entirely to only to JOGA. If Legacy Elite did that, I have to imagine the business would collapse.
 
What does it mean to red shirt a kid in kindergarten? To delay them going to school a year because they aren't quite ready? (I never heard a term for that. It just seems like a reasonable parent decision.)
 
What does it mean to red shirt a kid in kindergarten? To delay them going to school a year because they aren't quite ready? (I never heard a term for that. It just seems like a reasonable parent decision.)
In England certainly the birth dates run 1st September to 31st August and children start school at 4. So this September you’ll have children born August 2021 starting school. If your child is a July or August birthday, you have the right to wait until the following year. However if they are born in June or earlier, you don’t have the automatic right to skip and it can usually only be done under recommendation from a medical or educational professional. It’s not very common though, and I’ve never known it to be done for sporting reasons, it’s almost always for social and developmental reasons
 
What does it mean to red shirt a kid in kindergarten? To delay them going to school a year because they aren't quite ready? (I never heard a term for that. It just seems like a reasonable parent decision.)
Pretty much--you hear it mostly with boys with summer birthdays, who meet the age cutoff but parents hold them back a year before starting them in school. The logic for it is usually that boys mature more slowly than girls, or that that particular boy isn't mature enough to start school yet (wouldn't be able to sit still in class, etc). There's also the position that if you hold a boy back, so he's the oldest in his class instead of the youngest, he'll have a better time in high school sports.

Not that many people actually do it--about 12%--but it's a major topic of discussion, and the sports reason is given disturbingly often for at least considering it.
 
The idea of holding them back so they can be dominant in sports is bonkers. I've never actually heard of someone doing this, but if it actually happens, that's fucked up level of competitiveness to execute such a plan with a 4 year old.

Thank you @QuietColours.
 
The prevalence of redshirting varies wildly. Many private schools in the US informally have a March 31 or April 30 cutoff, even if they advertise August 31. So a kid born June 1 would be rejected and encouraged to apply for kindergarten again next year, or admitted to the private's pre or transitional kindergarten program.

We actually applied to a private school for first grade, and my January kid would have been the youngest boy in the class. I thought that was absolutely insane. I learned 50% of the kids were old enough for the next grade. (We ultimately decided not to send him to that school for a lot of reasons)

Some public schools are much more willing to let parents make the decision. Others are strict: DC, the public school system makes it incredibly difficult to redshirt. Kids MUST be in school if they reach their 5th birthday by Sept. 31 except under incredibly exceptional circumstances. And they generally don't allow kids to enter kindergarten at 6 if they're moving from elsewhere--parents who wanted to redshirt a kid would do private pre-K and then move to DC public for kinder. DC caught on and now pushes those kids to 1st barring a compelling reason like significant developmental and intellectual disability.

Because many school districts allow parents to choose when to start, a lot third grades have an unusually large cohort of kids because of Covid. With a lot of schools going virtual for some or all of the 2020-2021 school year, a larger-than-normal number of parents decided not to have their kids start kindergarten. And a not insignificant number of parents who had their kids to virtual kindergarten successfully petitioned to have their kids repeat due to the low quality of schooling that year. A sizable number of current third grades should, by birthday, actually be in fourth grade. Conversely, fourth grade is smaller than expected.
 
I should note redshirting is often correlated to higher socioeconomic status. Families have to have the financial means to send their kids to preschool for another year, have a parent stay home, or pay a nanny. They also have to know how to navigate the school system and know what redshirting is in the first place. Poor families by and large send their kids on time because they don't have the financial options not to.
 
My niece is in softball and it is camps, travel team, private lessons to the point where the family has to schedule vacations for the other 3 around the softball season. Kid is 12. I have no idea if she is D1 scholarship level because that is six years away. She could lose interest, blow out her shoulder, or any number of things. And my brother is the coach so God knows if she would actually feel comfortable saying "you know, I think i am done with softball..." and the D1 school she plays for has to be semi-local so they can go to the games. I can't even fathom revolving my life around a sport, much less my kid's sport. And making the rest of the family revolve around it too, but I guess it is in many sports, not just gymnastics that this happens.

At least they aren't pimping my niece on social media...
My nephew is 8, plays soccer year round on all kinds of teams, even when he was hitting his father on the sideline. Parents think he’s heading to MLS to make millions and buy them a mansion. Kid is more likely to end up in juvenile court due to lack of parenting. They couldn’t come to my sons birthday bc of soccer.
 
In England certainly the birth dates run 1st September to 31st August and children start school at 4. So this September you’ll have children born August 2021 starting school. If your child is a July or August birthday, you have the right to wait until the following year. However if they are born in June or earlier, you don’t have the automatic right to skip and it can usually only be done under recommendation from a medical or educational professional. It’s not very common though, and I’ve never known it to be done for sporting reasons, it’s almost always for social and developmental reasons

England have changed this rule - all summer born children (defined as those born April 1 - August 31) now have the right to defer compulsory school until the term after their 5th birthday rather than a matter of days/weeks after they turn 4. However parents can opt for their child to start at age 4.

I guess it is an improvement on the old system where summer born children went through life with 2 terms less schooling than autumn born.

However - to stop parents holding their kids back for sports, as seems to happen in the US most school sports teams require children to play according to their chronological age - so for example a deferred child would have to play on the soccer/rugby/cricket team for the year above.
 

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