2025 Winter Cup (Louisville, KY) February 21-23

[KorbutFan]

Didn’t the Hamm twins try a similar thing in 2004?

 

[Matilda23]

Interesting to see what Fred’s new uniform is and the designs. What could be different? Bike shorts instead of long pants?

 

[RichardL]

Maybe no unitard under the shorts/pants? But what would that accomplish? And anything too baggy is going to make it impossible to judge accurately.

 

[irichluck21]

maybe similar to what trhe Hamm bros did with the compression tanks?

 

[MaryClare]

View attachment 11605maybe similar to what trhe Hamm bros did with the compression tanks?

So basically the exact same cut as WAG sleeveless leotard regulations. But this is somehow less feminine?

 

[BB12]

View attachment 11605maybe similar to what trhe Hamm bros did with the compression tanks?

I like the look of that. But I wouldn't describe it as less feminine.

If anything, to me it's more because I'd actually wear something that cut.

 

[Passion]

IIRC USAG allowed the Hamms to wear their tank shirts in 2008 but didn’t let them wear the longer shorts they also wanted.

 

[Peridot]

I guess for domestic meets it’s up to USAG what they can wear? I can’t see the FIG changing the rules for MAG on the basis that some people feel it’s “too feminine”.

I am pro catsuit, I am pro sports hijabs, if you think either of those are “woke”, go and coach RG in Chechnya. But this feels like a regressive step and sends out the wrong message to young boys in the sport.

I also don’t really understand why people have such a go at the men wearing a leotard. Look at weightlifters and rowers. They wear essentially the same thing but it’s even more revealing as they don’t have the longs or shorts over the top. But I never seem to hear about them getting grief.
Can’t imagine someone telling Talakhadze that he’s too much of a girl or whatever for what he wears.

 

[irichluck21]

I get the hate, it was "uncool" and "gay" to be on the swim team in high school (at least mine) because we "wore speedos" and "shaved our bodies".

 

[MaryClare]

I get the hate, it was "uncool" and "gay" to be on the swim team in high school (at least mine) because we "wore speedos" and "shaved our bodies".

but what he’s essentially doing is saying yes, what male gymnasts currently wear is “girly”. What sort of message is that sending to young boys in the sport who might be facing teasing or bullying due to their involvement? It just affirms stereotypes about males artistic sports.

As pointed out, it’s no different to the attire worn by male athletes in very “macho” sports.

Basically, Fred Richard has a hang up about “tights”. Also I’ve never heard them referred to as tights. Because they aren’t tights.

 

[OnoNoKomachi]

I'll have to see what the uniform looks like. I'm going to the meet.

Richard is already on the National Team, so if he gets neutral deductions for wearing non regulation uniforms, it won't matter. It remains to be seen if USAG will take the neutral deduction.

I don't see the FIG changing anything unless there are a lot of requests from other countries. The Japanese and Chinese would probably just roll their eyes.

I don't see pandering to people who "think gymnastics is for girls".

In the US, boys are sometimes not comfortable with the uniforms, so if it keeps them from quitting the sport, it's all good with me.

As far as tight clothing goes, in Track and Field you can pretty much tell the guys religion. Pommel pants are nothing.

I'll have to see what this looks like.

 

[Denn]

He probably is just wearing a tank top and longer shorts. Or pants that are baggier on the top.

What a revolutionary. He's single-handedly Making Gymnastics Straight Again.

 

[OnoNoKomachi]

I don't understand why he thinks he can convince other people to wear a uniform that may garner a neutral deduction.

 

[rlayt]

It doesn’t seem like a winning strategy.

 

[Ginger]

Last pre-Winter Cup qualifier results:

https://www.mymeetscores.com/meet.pl?meetid=1000004641

the qual chart was updated last week, and of course scores lowered. I haven't seen the updated start list yet but Sophia Buechler got her 48.00 JR qual score (and Camarah Williams got a two-event score... looking forward to seeing her floor if she decides to compete)

https://static.usagym.org/PDFs/Women/elite/25elitechart.pdf

 

[RedBirdie]

I'm really unsure if CaMarah got the score or not. The language on the elite qualification chart is not clear about using vault as part of the 2 event score for qualification to Winter Cup and Classics. Very clear vault only counts if you do 2 vaults to qualify to championships. But unclear if that also applies to WC and Classics.

But it's USAG. Clarity isn't their strong suit.

 

[Ginger]

Start lists updated, and Camarah is indeed on it. And GAGE gymnasts.
Both Crain sisters on junior list.

 

[cftmoonlight79]

I'm curious to see if Jayla Hang and Simone Rose take a step forward this season. I feel like they have under-achieved. Love Lavi Crain, I hope she can survive being a Gage girl and be the next big thing.

 

[Rich]

That is a nice sized senior list

 

[cftmoonlight79]

How many of those seniors are legit contenders for international competition? Obviously Hang, Rose, Rivera, Sumanasekera, and a few others. Itll be interesting to see who separates themselves one way or another.