Event 2025 European Championships - Mixed Team Final (May 28)

[ArnoldRimmer]

There was a tenth in it!

 

[RedBirdie]

Country Roads?

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to the place I beeeeeeeelong!

 

[J175]

Italy had the highest combined score across the three rounds. Their third round score would have beaten Germany in round 2 (but only by a tenth). There was only 0.5 in it between their 2nd and 3rd rounds though, maybe they thought beam wasn't worth the risk before the final.

Germany and GB had a much bigger spread between their highest and lowest scoring rounds, that's an advantage in this format because you can leave your weak events until you are guaranteed a medal. It does mean the quality in the final round might not be great though. Germany's winning score would have placed 11th in round 1.

 

[Hatsumomo]

I mean on the plus side you kind of get to see everybody. But on the down side, you kind of have to see everybody.

Onodian, I'm so happy to see your commentary

 

[Puffin]

Italy had the highest combined score across the three rounds. Their third round score would have beaten Germany in round 2 (but only by a tenth). There was only 0.5 in it between their 2nd and 3rd rounds though, maybe they thought beam wasn't worth the risk before the final.

Germany and GB had a much bigger spread between their highest and lowest scoring rounds, that's an advantage in this format because you can leave your weak events until you are guaranteed a medal. It does mean the quality in the final round might not be great though. Germany's winning score would have placed 11th in round 1.

Italy's big problem was that Esposito only has a Y1.5 which cost them in round 2 against Britain and Germany's DTY. With this format you should put your weakest event in the final round when you are guaranteed gold or silver ... of course bb is also a risk.

 

[J175]

Italy's big problem was that Esposito only has a Y1.5 which cost them in round 2 against Britain and Germany's DTY. With this format you should put your weakest event in the final round when you are guaranteed gold or silver ... of course bb is also a risk.

It's much easier to decide which is your weakest event when the choice is a DTY vs scoring 12 without a fall on beam. Beam being your strongest event is also tricky because scores are a lot more variable even if you stay on. Italy also had the problem that Casali lost 4 tenths on floor, without that they could have scraped through.

For this format you have more chance of gold or silver with two strong events and one weak event than three equally strong events. Or even just one really strong event as long as your second is good enough to make the top 8 in round 1.

 

[irichluck21]

Full video is up:

 

[Passion]

Mixed Team Final​

1. Germany - 25.566
2. Great Britain - 25.466

3. Italy - 27.966
4. France - 25.699

5. Spain - 25.033
6. Belgium - 24.766
7. Norway - 24.666
8. Switzerland - 23.333

9. Netherlands - 25.766
10. Hungary - 25.666
11. Poland - 25.366
12. Sweden - 24.999
13. Finland - 24.966
14. Israel - 24.633
15. Austria - 24.433
16. Türkiye - 24.333

Round 1 - Full Results
Round 2 - Full Results
Round 3 - Full Results
Round 4 - Full Results

 

[onodian]

Try explaining to the casual fan that places 3 and 4 have a higher score than places 1 and 2 and all the other inconsistencies with that table... just show the position, this isn't helping

 

[ArnoldRimmer]

Try explaining to the casual fan that places 3 and 4 have a higher score than places 1 and 2 and all the other inconsistencies with that table... just show the position, this isn't helping

Agree.

I could see the fanbase finding the tactical side interesting as the event beds down. It offers brand new geeking potential. However... if they don't do it right, could end up being something like compulsories where the hardcore love it but the more casual fans don't engage.

 

[MaryClare]

Try explaining to the casual fan that places 3 and 4 have a higher score than places 1 and 2 and all the other inconsistencies with that table... just show the position, this isn't helping

It’s like a football tournament. The bronze medal match might 7-6 and the gold medal match only 2-1

 

[Aeris]

Those team games inherently have to be decided on a match by match basis since only one team can play another at a time. The format doesn't make sense for gymnastics (even besides the other awful things about it currently: only 2 people per "team" and the limited/unfair/boring apparatus selection). In gymnastics they are all there at the same time and trying to earn points, so the highest point earner should win. Plus, in this "1 apparatus vs 1 apparatus" setup, each team that has to perform 1st is disadvantaged by not being able to decide what to do in their routines based on what the other team scored.

 

[Denn]

I HATE this competition format. I am all for a mixed team event, but this is NOT it.

When a country win's a team competition, you can say "This group did the best gymnastics today."

You can't say that here. I don't even know what the outcome of this event means.

That these specific two Germans, one male and one female, under these specific apparatus restrictions, were better under this specific sequence of little competitions? Who cares?

There are MANY other better possibilities than this — a full team competition. A 1-up per event thing. Even one male and one female athlete with the scores combined would be better than this.

But this is literally almost as bad as you could concoct it.

 

[Puffin]

Try explaining to the casual fan that places 3 and 4 have a higher score than places 1 and 2 and all the other inconsistencies with that table... just show the position, this isn't helping

TBH you see this all the time in mixed team events where there is a "head to head" element. I'm sure I've seen it at the Olympics/Worlds - for example the skiing parallel slalom where sometimes the bronze/4th head to head is faster than the gold/silver match.

 

[ArnoldRimmer]

It's interesting that there only ended up being one withdrawal. I thought beforehand that the most likely to withdraw might be overloaded gymnasts already in every final. That may still happen, but actually on reflection the biggest withdrawal incentive will be with the Barbosu types won't it? Where one half of the pair is a legitimate medal threat elsewhere, but the disparity is such that they've no real chance of placing or even making the 2nd round in the mixed pairs.

This is on the assumption the substitution rules aren't changed.

 

[onodian]

When a country win's a team competition, you can say "This group did the best gymnastics today."

You can't say that here. I don't even know what the outcome of this event means.

But that's always the case in sports with semi-finals and such. The winner is the one who did the best tournament, but the best match might be a semifinal that doesn't include the winner or something like that. This is just the outcome of a competition, with slightly different rules. I think this could be solved. But the whole communication is not working atm

 

[MaryClare]

I HATE this competition format. I am all for a mixed team event, but this is NOT it.

When a country win's a team competition, you can say "This group did the best gymnastics today."

You can't say that here. I don't even know what the outcome of this event means.

That these specific two Germans, one male and one female, under these specific apparatus restrictions, were better under this specific sequence of little competitions? Who cares?

There are MANY other better possibilities than this — a full team competition. A 1-up per event thing. Even one male and one female athlete with the scores combined would be better than this.

But this is literally almost as bad as you could concoct it.

Yes I agree. This format is fine for the mixed pairs events we’ve seen in the past which have been fun, invitational competitions. But not for continental level.

I was excited when I heard that gymnastics was going to have a mixed team event as I really enjoy mixed team in figure skating but this format just doesn’t give it any sort of prestige

 

[Puffin]

But that's always the case in sports with semi-finals and such. The winner is the one who did the best tournament, but the best match might be a semifinal that doesn't include the winner or something like that. This is just the outcome of a competition, with slightly different rules. I think this could be solved. But the whole communication is not working atm

Yes - I mean LSU was the top scorer at NCAA finals this year but didn't make the final 4 in the end

 

[eanda]

I was excited when I heard that gymnastics was going to have a mixed team event as I really enjoy mixed team in figure skating but this format just doesn’t give it any sort of prestige

I don't watch figure skating. Is there anything in the way they do the mixed team event in skating that could be used or adapted to work in gymnastics?

 

[Caligym]

It works in figure skating because it is THE team event. Fun to add team events to sports that don’t have them. It just doesn’t make sense to add it in gymnastics to a competition like O’s where there is already an all-around and a team competition.