Romania

[irichluck21]

That skill is hard to keep pretty and land with a stick so that's why its not used. 1/1 giant to double tuck get the job done and much easier to stick.

 

[Aeris]

Disagree with it being hard to stick. Double tuck is generally safe for NCAA, but I've seen a few who could benefit from another option. Double tuck is also more prone to form deductions in elite and only B rated. I see so many elite routines going for sub-D rated dismounts that aren't worthwhile. They could be doing a hip hecht without twist for B dismount that is practically impossible to mess up, and work towards adding a twist or salto (Elze Guerts does that well). I think most people just don't realize it even exists.

 

[RedBirdie]

No one trains hip hechts these days. A hip hecht full is a dead-end skill, doubly so for elite, that's why hip hechts aren't taught. No one is going to teach hip hechts and hip hecht fulls when they can teach a double back that can potentially turn into various twisting variations or a double layout and all of it's twisting variations.

 

[MaryClare]

No one trains hip hechts these days. A hip hecht full is a dead-end skill, doubly so for elite, that's why hip hechts aren't taught. No one is going to teach hip hechts and hip hecht fulls when they can teach a double back that can potentially turn into various twisting variations or a double layout and all of it's twisting variations.

Yes, this is exactly.

It’s also why on the rare occasions we see UB dismounts that are not double saltos, they are toe on or stalder led. Because gymnasts train these skills already.

 

[Aeris]

That's absolutely not true about the hip hecht root being a dead-end skill. The hip/clear hecht salto is a D dismount and minimizes form errors, and there are further twisting variations that can be performed. The hip salto 1/2 would be a more achievable E for the majority of gymnasts than a mustafina IMO, and it's much more connectable than a double layout upgrade.

And it takes relatively little to train a basic B hip hecht. It's something any elite can do and would improve their score over whatever other B/C dismount they're doing that's often getting .3 or more deduction. A fair number of gymnasts never progress past competing a B/C dismount, or have very shitty form on their D dismounts (eating tons of deduction). It's a failure of coaching to have them only do those dismounts when a possible better option exists.

 

[Sanzhirovka]

And Romanian bars - are getting better?

 

[KristyJ]

I think you are underrating the difficulty of a hip hecht skill, especially when it entails learning a new skill family not often used elsewhere (namely the hip pop off the bar which made more sense when beating the bars was a skill everyone did constantly)

 

[KristyJ]

And Romanian bars - are getting better?

They seem to be!

 

[Puffin]

And Romanian bars - are getting better?

They do seem to be.

At Euros they got Ana Barbosu into the medals in the UB final and Rom beat France on UB in TF.

Romania could have won bronze in TF if Voinea hadn't scratched VT - even a fugly dty would have done it - she only needed 13.3.

 

[Aeris]

I think you are underrating the difficulty of a hip hecht skill, especially when it entails learning a new skill family not often used elsewhere (namely the hip pop off the bar which made more sense when beating the bars was a skill everyone did constantly)

It's something I did in elementary school, with no intention to ever train bar beats, before having any real skills. Doesn't require having a vertical cast or giant to perform.

Let's look at a recent competition:


Most of these gymnasts could improve their score if they did the B hecht dismount. One of them fell on a Double Tuck, and injured themselves. That's the inherent risk in trying to learn and perform a double salto skill. It takes less time to learn a hip pop, less physical exertion to execute, and is less dangerous. It's stubbornness or ignorance if coaches don't want to consider teaching a safer dismount that is less deductible. Give people options so they can figure out what fits best.

 

[MaryClare]

It's something I did in elementary school, with no intention to ever train bar beats, before having any real skills. Doesn't require having a vertical cast or giant to perform.

Let's look at a recent competition:


Most of these gymnasts could improve their score if they did the B hecht dismount. One of them fell on a Double Tuck, and injured themselves. That's the inherent risk in trying to learn and perform a double salto skill. It takes less time to learn a hip pop, less physical exertion to execute, and is less dangerous. It's stubbornness or ignorance if coaches don't want to consider teaching a safer dismount that is less deductible. Give people options so they can figure out what fits best.

i mean, it is an option. It’s there in the COP. Everyone seems to have found the easy beam dismounts easily enough, so I doubt that coaches are ignorant to its existence. Several coaches have trained their gymnasts to do toe on or stalder entry dismounts. So why aren’t they doing yours?

 

[eanda]

There's risk and time needed for learning with a lot of gymnastics skills. Where do you stop in the effort to avoid any and all deductions? Even as a viewer, I found a few of the dismounts (front/back layouts) anti-climatic for the rest of the routine. If I were a gymnast capable of the skills these gymnasts were doing, I don't think I would be happy topping it all off with a non-flipping dismount.

 

[Sanzhirovka]

Okay, this time I'll be more straightforwards - we are getting off topic.

Also, this comment helps me keep the ads down, I guess?