2025 World Gymnastics Championships: Men’s AA, October 22

[Denn]

Daiki Hashimoto / Zhang Boheng rivalry — Partial History.

They really have gone back and forth, with Oka's win this one, important blip!

2021 Olympics: Hashimoto wins; but China keeps Zhang Boheng at home.

2021 Worlds: Zhang beats Hashimoto after they both hit every apparatus about the best they could

2022 Asian Games: Zhang Boheng wins; Hashimoto not present.

2022 Worlds: Hashimoto takes back the title after they both hit.

2023 Worlds: Hashimoto by a country mile because Zhang Boheng stays home to compete

2023 ("2021" delayed) University Games: Zhang Boheng wins; Hashimoto drops out after Pommel Horse and does not finish, but comes back to do Event Finals.

2024 Olympics: They both struggle — Zhang on FX and Hashimoto on both Pommels and Rings. Zhang gets silver but Hashimoto gets 6th.

2025 University Games: Hashimoto competes, but Zhang doesn't (maybe not eligible?) — so Hashimoto wins more or less unchallenged, even with a major issue on HB.

2025 Worlds: Hashimoto takes the title for the third time after Zhang has minor issues on FX and HB.


And of course, they've faced each other in qualifications most of those times, too, usually with one or the other winning — and NOT always the same guy who ends up winning!

 

[RedBirdie]

Is Jesse Moore's 11th place finish the bets for an Aussie MAG?

 

[Denn]

@RedBirdie I hope one of our Aussie forum members will correct me, but I think you're right. Joshua Jefferis got 12th in 2006. So Jesse just beat it!

 

[Denn]

Oh, we were both right.... At least it seems so based on this webpage @RedBirdie.

The Best Men’s World Finishes of All Time

Our list of every country’s best finish at world championships in the history of the men’s artistic gymnastics competition, dating back to 1903.

thegymter.net

I am surprised that 1993 was their first year. Hm... Robin corrected my error!

 

[RedBirdie]

That's an amazing resource! Never knew it existed.

Australia's first men's worlds was 1970. It's the date underneath the country name and the best placings.

 

[eanda]

Australia had individuals at the 1970 Worlds, and a team at worlds from 1979–1989. Not sure about individuals in 1974 or 1978, when all around was cut to 36 gymnasts.

Gymn-Forum

 

[Angelika]

That is a fabulous resource - there's a female version as well but it needs updating. In fact you could lose a whole night reading all the lists and statistics!

 

[Denn]

That is a fabulous resource - there's a female version as well but it needs updating. In fact you could lose a whole night reading all the lists and statistics!

I just found myself falling down that rabbit hole, LOL. I caught myself before it got too far, but almost...

 

[BB12]

Is Jesse Moore's 11th place finish the bets for an Aussie MAG?

Yes! And I dare say, it won't be the last time Jesse has a record finish.

He's already good but got so much room to improve.

 

[KristyJ]

WHAT a competition!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW, none of the scoring seemed suspect to me so far. People will analyze after the fact, but even with a few stupid rules, the men's system is so much more reliable than the women's system.

Please tell this to Tim Daggett and John Rothlisberger. If they are supposed to be drumming up viewership for the sport talking in length about how the judges "find" deductions that are wrong isn't gonna do it. I still think all commentators should have to take a judging course.

 

[KristyJ]

That really was a fantastic competition to watch. Happy for Siefert! It was nice to see how many countries were in contention. I managed to mostly avoid spoilers beyond who won (thanks social media for deciding I needed to see random NBC posts) so the race for bronze was so exciting to watch.

 

[OnoNoKomachi]

D/E/SB for top 3 in 2025 men's AA
Daiki Hashimoto 32.9/51.931/.3 = 85.131
Zhang Boheng 32.5/51.733/.1 = 84.333
Noe Seifert 30.6/52.031/.2 = 82.831

The podium all hit their routines, 51 + execution is really good.

This wasn't a case of the winner being the least bad.

 

[Matilda23]

Jesse Moore left out his Kolman on HB. Is that what he fell on in quals?
11th AA - fantastic result!

 

[barbara_dewey]

Please tell this to Tim Daggett and John Rothlisberger. If they are supposed to be drumming up viewership for the sport talking in length about how the judges "find" deductions that are wrong isn't gonna do it. I still think all commentators should have to take a judging course.

Tim and John are both judges. I have no idea why they say that crap. They know better.

 

[KristyJ]

Tim and John are both judges. I have no idea why they say that crap. They know better.

Wait, what, really? Brevet? What the heck

 

[Aeris]

Knowing a judging system doesn't mean you agree with it. They are right to use their platform to call out bad rules.

 

[KristyJ]

There's a strong difference between "I don't like this rule" (which they also do all the time and I sometimes agree with) and "I just can't see the deductions, they must be making something up," which is not constructive, will turn the audience off of the sport because they won't trust any scores, and is usually missing something. On the particular routine on which they were commenting, I know I noticed a good .3 off on the dismount alone, when they called it perfect. Also my response was to Denn's note of how good the judging was, and I agreed there-- and yet Tim and John went on about the judging like they do every single meet. That is not just using a platform, thank you.

 

[Denn]

Wait, what, really? Brevet? What the heck

Tim was a coach for a long time, but I don't remember him ever judging. @barbara_dewey Do you know something I don't about this?

That said, he's always known the code well.

ETA: I didn't see the US broadcast. I do think that Tim and John both are very sympathetic to gymnasts. Sure, they may not see every error, or they may disagree so strongly that they aren't willing to accept the rules as they are. But I think that they are more likely feeling defensive of the gymnasts. And honestly, I don't blame them, as the rules are tough. Not nearly as ludicrous as WAG rules, but tough.

 

[eanda]

They aren’t in FIG’s list of licensed judges, but that doesn’t rule out being a USAG judge or previous FIG license.

I think there is also an element of them having to follow a narrative the network demands - usually involving the U.S. gymnasts not receiving scores they deserve - which leads to them not mentioning some errors or downplaying them. I remember hearing Daggett on a non-network event once and he was so much more tolerable to listen to. It’s a disservice to the sport and those watching to require this kind of commentary. Does any other sport talk down to viewers in this way at the network’s directive?

 

[KristyJ]

They aren’t in FIG’s list of licensed judges, but that doesn’t rule out being a USAG judge or previous FIG license.

I think there is also an element of them having to follow a narrative the network demands - usually involving the U.S. gymnasts not receiving scores they deserve - which leads to them not mentioning some errors or downplaying them. I remember hearing Daggett on a non-network event once and he was so much more tolerable to listen to. It’s a disservice to the sport and those watching to require this kind of commentary. Does any other sport talk down to viewers in this way at the network’s directive?

For sure NBC probably has some sort of narrative requirement, which is.... yeah