2025 World Championships: Women’s Qualifications Day 1 October 20/ Day 2 October 21

[Beamer]

Will Roberson go for the Cheng in VT EF?

She won’t medal either way but she may injure herself if she attempts it. I would just do the Pod (attempted Lopez), but she may think she has a medal chance if she goes for it.

I know, I know. This is a traumatic question.

A better question is whether Schoenmaier will attempt a Cheng in EF. Predictions?

 

[Passion]

 

[KristyJ]

Based on the video above, I imagine some of her choice will depend on how it is going in training. It sounds like this particular vault table is so hard it's required a shift in technique.

 

[Concorde]

The tucked DTY makes me think the fujitsu judging spat out a tuck. A human wouldn’t think of that.

Couple Things:

1. Per FlipFlyTumble / Emily, the AI judging is only being used for illustrative/audience purposes and not for actual scoring.

2. How the D Panel arrived at the downgrade for Wong's Baitova:

Per the WTC presentations on vault in STS, a stretched Vault is downgraded to tuck if:

- Gymnast shows hip angle AND knee angle is < 135 degrees

 

[KristyJ]

So literally placing a protractor on my screen (since I guess this is what we've come to) I suppose that's close and we can't see it from every angle.
Even so.....

 

[Ms Motts]

I feel like that one can be eyeballed - it's so far from any definition of stretched that if you didn't know the intention was a layout it wouldn't enter your mind to judge it as one. Like if I saw that in a floor routine I'd note it as a tuck and deduct for insufficient tuck. Everything's still fairly open at 135 degrees.

 

[makam]

Yeah, I can see how they called that an open tuck. Has she (or anyone) said what happened? Missed her steps? Hit the spring or table wrong?

 

[Aeris]

She's in layout position longer than she's in that tuck position though. Her legs don't start going wild until she's 1/4 into the last salto. The layout needs to be maintained until inverted position to satisfy the rules, but that shows the problem of labeling everything in "either/or" terms. There could be a median value between "tucked" and "layout" for cases like this, to more accurately assess what happened. The value of skills swinging by .6 or .8 depending on borderline calls is too much.

 

[Denn]

I don't agree with creating a new position in between tucked and layout.

I also think it's plain that she was doing a layout and bent her hips and legs at the end. The rule SHOULD be to credit the layout and deduct. That's what deductions are for, after all.

(Calling this tucked and then deducting for insufficient tuck is just asinine.)

 

[Ms Motts]

It’s not really asinine - that body shape is either a bad tuck or a bad layout, and either needs deductions for what makes it bad. This isn’t just piking down early or soft knees. It’s a really out of kilter shape for a layout.

I agree that there is definitely a case to argue that when the shape changes midway, so it really is half one thing half another, the fair thing would be to judge it as what it was intended to be and deduct accordingly (I think a lot of the WAG COP needs to be fairer to the gymnasts), but I also think that in this case the judges are actually applying the rules as they’re written.