2025 World Championships: Women’s Qualifications Day 1 October 20/ Day 2 October 21

[BB12]

I have no answers. My daughter doesn't do any sports. Her ADHD is significant enough that we're just focusing on academics right now because fifth grade is a big milestone. But she has several friends who are very promising gymnasts, and their families are trying to figure out if they want to go for broke on elite or focus on L10 and the more realistic possiblity of a college scholarship.

It's insane that they are having to make that choice at that young age.

Making committing to elite at that age is a one way ticket to burnout by 16.

 

[Concorde]

I'm guessing Leanne Wong must not have received credit for her switch ring on BB, right? 5.4 D-Score.

From the livestream angle, I would have credited the Switch Ring Leap(foot to crown of head and sufficient arch).

I think the D panel didn't credit the Switch Leap + Switch Leap 1/2 connection due to the slight pause before taking off for the Switch Leap 1/2. This cost her 0.1 in CV for the Switch Leap + Switch Leap 1/2 connection and 0.1 in SB for no longer having a B + B + C / three element series.

 

[Doug1233]

The D panel should have credited the first front tuck as complete and eligible for DV and counting toward CR # 4 / Salto Backward and Forward because Visser took off for the element in bounds and landed it feet first prior to the fall.

So Visser actually lost 0.3 on floor by downgrading her 2.5 to a Double Full punch front. She needn’t have. I guess in the moment she wasn’t sure.

 

[Doug1233]

From the livestream angle, I would have credited the Switch Ring Leap(foot to crown of head and sufficient arch).

I think the D panel didn't credit the Switch Leap + Switch Leap 1/2 connection due to the slight pause before taking off for the Switch Leap 1/2. This cost her 0.1 in CV for the Switch Leap + Switch Leap 1/2 connection and 0.1 in SB for no longer having a B + B + C / three element series.

I didn’t give the switch to switch half. but I did give the switch half to straddle and I credited the switch ring.

 

[Jmanda86]

I always felt like the Elites years ago had more international meet opportunities. Like the 00-04 quad, it seemed like they competed all over but maybe some of that was WOGA taking their crop of girls to meets without them being ‘official’ USAG assignments. It definitely doesn’t feel as ‘worth it’ now.

I always thought Leanne was supposedly so code savvy but maybe I’m mixing her up with someone else.


Super random but the talk of off post Olympic Worlds had me randomly thinking of a girl who vaulted in some big meets randomly. Sort of Jade-esq before Jade. Kayla someone? I can picture her. Brown curly hair.

ETA: Ahhh. I just googled. Kayla Williams. Pretty randomly won Vault at 2009 World Champs.

 

[BB12]

I always felt like the Elites years ago had more international meet opportunities. Like the 00-04 quad, it seemed like they competed all over but maybe some of that was WOGA taking their crop of girls to meets without them being ‘official’ USAG assignments. It definitely doesn’t feel as ‘worth it’ now.

I always thought Leanne was supposedly so code savvy but maybe I’m mixing her up with someone else.


Super random but the talk of off post Olympic Worlds had me randomly thinking of a girl who vaulted in some big meets randomly. Sort of Jade-esq before Jade. Kayla someone? I can picture her. Brown curly hair.

ETA: Ahhh. I just googled. Kayla Williams. Pretty randomly won Vault at 2009 World Champs.

I'd love to see the US compete at world cups more than they do.

 

[Bob]

The tucked DTY makes me think the fujitsu judging spat out a tuck. A human wouldn’t think of that.

don't forget that she either gets a bent leg deduction or a not enough tuck deduction whichever vault is awarded.

 

[Bob]

Watching this reminds me of how much I hate that everyone has to swing bars on the same setting. If you ever seen the FIG setting in person, you know it's so tiny. We have 3 settings in our gym and none of them are that small.

I think if you grow up in a programme that uses fig it's fine. We don't notice it in the same way. I think it's more a problem if you are used to having the bars wider in your gym.

 

[Bob]

So we have to watch her again

fortunately not on floor though. At least vault is one second twice. Just hoping she doesn't get injured in the meantime.

 

[Bob]

GB is exactly the same post White Report and it is absolutely killing elite level sport.

This a million times.

 

[Denn]

Watching this reminds me of how much I hate that everyone has to swing bars on the same setting. If you ever seen the FIG setting in person, you know it's so tiny. We have 3 settings in our gym and none of them are that small.

I appreciate you saying this because I have not thought about this in a while. (Why do you think FIG has this rigid of a requirement?)

 

[RedBirdie]

I always felt like the Elites years ago had more international meet opportunities. Like the 00-04 quad, it seemed like they competed all over but maybe some of that was WOGA taking their crop of girls to meets without them being ‘official’ USAG assignments. It definitely doesn’t feel as ‘worth it’ now.

I always thought Leanne was supposedly so code savvy but maybe I’m mixing her up with someone else.


Super random but the talk of off post Olympic Worlds had me randomly thinking of a girl who vaulted in some big meets randomly. Sort of Jade-esq before Jade. Kayla someone? I can picture her. Brown curly hair.

ETA: Ahhh. I just googled. Kayla Williams. Pretty randomly won Vault at 2009 World Champs.

Leanne just seems code savvy compared to Al Fong. Low bar.

 

[phoenix7]

It's insane that they are having to make that choice at that young age.

Making committing to elite at that age is a one way ticket to burnout by 16.

So what they need to do is study and try to replicate the Jade Carey trajectory, it seems?

 

[BB12]

So what they need to do is study and try to replicate the Jade Carey trajectory, it seems?

Absolutely! There are a lot of studies coming out saying that children shouldn't specialise in one sport until age 13 due to the impact that has on muscle + bone development, the increased risk of overuse injuries and it's more likely to increase burnout at a young age.

Tweens don't need to be training 30+ hours a week at all, let alone in one sport.

 

[makam]

Absolutely! There are a lot of studies coming out saying that children shouldn't specialise in one sport until age 13 due to the impact that has on muscle + bone development, the increased risk of overuse injuries and it's more likely to increase burnout at a young age.

Tweens don't need to be training 30+ hours a week at all, let alone in one sport.

The only caveat to that is that I think it is easier to learn some skills when the floor isn't so far away... I'm not sure I would even try a cartwheel now that the floor and my head are ~6' apart.

 

[ruby]

Absolutely! There are a lot of studies coming out saying that children shouldn't specialise in one sport until age 13 due to the impact that has on muscle + bone development, the increased risk of overuse injuries and it's more likely to increase burnout at a young age.

Tweens don't need to be training 30+ hours a week at all, let alone in one sport.

You think Jade did gymnastics twice a week until she turned 13?

 

[KristyJ]

Absolutely! There are a lot of studies coming out saying that children shouldn't specialise in one sport until age 13 due to the impact that has on muscle + bone development, the increased risk of overuse injuries and it's more likely to increase burnout at a young age.

Tweens don't need to be training 30+ hours a week at all, let alone in one sport.

I think there is a lot of room for foundational training at a younger age though-- it's a false dichotomy to say basics and difficulty need to be a separate focus, since good basics lead to a better step into difficulty later. I am not upset at a program having a tween train, say, 28 hours in a week if that training includes cross-training, ballet, lots and lots of low impact basics, physical therapy, etc., with the bigger skills a smaller portion of the overall package.

 

[BB12]

You think Jade did gymnastics twice a week until she turned 13?

No, I didnt say that at all.

 

[BB12]

The only caveat to that is that I think it is easier to learn some skills when the floor isn't so far away... I'm not sure I would even try a cartwheel now that the floor and my head are ~6' apart.

A lot of that is children not feeling fear the same as they do the they get older. The older you get, the more you understand the risks of landing on your neck so skills become more scary to do.

In my expereince at Dance Studios, if we taught them the base arco skill before they started to feel that fear, it's quicker and easier to do so I assume that principle also applies to gymnasts.

 

[BB12]

I think there is a lot of room for foundational training at a younger age though-- it's a false dichotomy to say basics and difficulty need to be a separate focus, since good basics lead to a better step into difficulty later. I am not upset at a program having a tween train, say, 28 hours in a week if that training includes cross-training, ballet, lots and lots of low impact basics, physical therapy, etc., with the bigger skills a smaller portion of the overall package.

I agree on that. That's the type of training mix that I hope becomes more normalised moving forward given the benefits cross-training is showing to have.

And with many gymnasts globally peaking at an older age, this type of mixed training at a younger age could help more athletes still be involved in the sport in their late 20s.