2025 World Championships: Women’s Qualifications Day 1 October 20/ Day 2 October 21

[BB12]

Ruby Pass with a fall on her ADF and watered down the rest of the routine. Maybe she’s injured or not adjust to equipment. New music and choreography an improvement.

She told gymnastic she's been so sick the past few weeks that she hadn't done any full fx routines in the lead up. That explains why she was so off on every routine. Such a shame we didnt get to see her best because she was looking great the club's carnival a few weeks ago.


Of the other Aussies - KATE MADE BARS FINAL! So exciting to see her hit in competition and show how good she is. She will need some to make a mistake to medal but it's just so exciting for her to make finals. Hopefully she can connect the tcakhev in finals.

And such a shame Bre fell on beam. That routine is good enough for finals. AT least she made AA so we have a chance to see a hit version at this competition.

 

[Denn]

Voinea is the new Raisman. So much difficulty, so many small deductions everywhere the judges can't possibly notate and take them all.

ABSOLUTELY agree. I just broke down her beam E-score in the other thread, and I have her well below the Worlds panel. Meanwhile, I had Saraiva about 0.4 or so higher. I had them literally 1.5 apart, and the judges in Jakarta had less than half of that difference.

 

[Doug1233]

They gave Dulcy the Memmel on floor. That’s… generous lol.

 

[Doug1233]

Ok. About to rejudge Josc’s floor. Wish me luck.

 

[BB12]

I enjoyed seeing Dulcy do well after a lot of the criticism she's copped. While I'm not a fan of the auto-qualifying a spot based on 1 camp without proper competition surfaces on every event, she showed up again and performed close to her best.

Josc is a mess. At some point you need to stop rewarding badly executed routines just because they have a high D. I get having the highest score potential on the team but her score potential is not as high as her difficulty suggests because she does not have the technique to properly perform the skills she is doing. No wonder her ankles are fried. And it's only going to get worse if she keeps going.

I am still a doubter of the 'train with your NCAA coach' approach. I don't think Leanne's routine construction has been optimised for a couple of years. I also think Josc would benefit from real elite coaches to make her routine less offensive. The way both their ydoubles have regressed is concerning.

 

[Doug1233]

I have



Skye 13.8 (6.2)
Dulcy 11.9 (5.7)
Wong - can’t see



Leanne 13.2 (5.3)
Dulcy 13.5 (5.8)
Skye 13.2 (5.8)



Leanne 13.1 (5.4)
Dulcy 13.3 (5.3)
Josc 12.6 (6.2)



Can’t score from this fucking angle.

 

[navyblue]

I don’t think they credited Leanne’s switch ring on floor. there’s no other way I can get it to 5.3. her triple wolf and switch half looked ok to me.

I think you're right. And, to be bad enough for discrediting you know she's getting at least a concomitant 3 tenth deduction too. She should do a switch leap. It's borderline but I actually don't fault the judges, her back leg really isn't ring-y enough.

 

[barbara_dewey]

6.9 E-score for Roberson. No falls.

It was REALLY bad. But that's just mean.

IMO, that score is pretty generous.

 

[Doug1233]

Josc needs to give her vault spot to Leanne.

IMO, that score is pretty generous.

Yeah I had 6.4 and I wasn’t even going hard.

 

[RedBirdie]

If Roberson withdraws, Voinea is the next one in. Leanne is waaaaaaaaay down the list.

 

[wishfulgoddess]

If I were to describe the entire qualification round in one word, it would be "meh."

 

[RedBirdie]

I enjoyed seeing Dulcy do well after a lot of the criticism she's copped. While I'm not a fan of the auto-qualifying a spot based on 1 camp without proper competition surfaces on every event, she showed up again and performed close to her best.

Josc is a mess. At some point you need to stop rewarding badly executed routines just because they have a high D. I get having the highest score potential on the team but her score potential is not as high as her difficulty suggests because she does not have the technique to properly perform the skills she is doing. No wonder her ankles are fried. And it's only going to get worse if she keeps going.

I am still a doubter of the 'train with your NCAA coach' approach. I don't think Leanne's routine construction has been optimised for a couple of years. I also think Josc would benefit from real elite coaches to make her routine less offensive. The way both their ydoubles have regressed is concerning.

I don't know that she has the self-awareness to realize the problem is her foundations are garbage. She doesn't strike me as the sort that would willingly spend six months reworking her basics and drilling day after day after day to fix these problems. She's a big difficulty skill chucker. That's been her thing since she was five years old and everyone was fawning over her. She's not about to give that up to focus on "easy" gymnastics.

The fact that she downgraded floor and vault tell me she's pretty injured and quite literally incapable of doing those skills. This is the same gymnast that threw high difficulty with shit form and looked about half and inch away from career-ending injuries on damn near every vault and floor pass at 2024 classics and nationals. She's not not one to fail it make in the name of increased E scores (or in the name of reducing the chance of injury)

 

[MaryClare]

Voinea is the new Raisman. So much difficulty, so many small deductions everywhere the judges can't possibly notate and take them all.

And tendons made of rubber

 

[RedBirdie]

Ok. About to rejudge Josc’s floor. Wish me luck.

We'll light a candle for you. And one for Josc's ankles. I may find her gymnastics repulsive, but she's going to destroy those damn ankles and have lifelong problems.

 

[navyblue]

Josc needs to give her vault spot to Leanne.

Yeah I had 6.4 and I wasn’t even going hard.

This is what a good nationalized program would do. Of course, Americans are too individualistic and they would catch a ton of heat for pulling a "Galieva".

It's funny to me how course correction has lead to an overcorrection in the face of the incompetence and abuse from the past.

This line from Alicia Sacramone in that World Trials documentary they just put out was very telling,
"We're fun loving... We work hard play hard, make it a good time, help teach some life lessons and maybe win some medals in the process."

^ The above is a perfectly acceptable M.O. for 98% of USAG-member gyms and J.O. programs, but absolutely not what I want to hear as the goals of the highest level elite coordination group. Yikes.

edit to add - right, Leanne was actually like 22nd in vault as someone pointed out, not actually Galievaed. But my other sentiments stand.

 

[navyblue]

And to clarify I don't think USA's qualifying round was quite as dismal as some are making it out to be. Or at least, I don't think the situation is any more dismal than what we all should have been expecting after seeing World Trials play out.

There is some underperformance (Leanne on vault, mainly) but several instances of over-performance versus expectation (everything by Dulcy, and even Blakely qualifying on bars). If you'd asked me before this meet, I'd say a 3 medal haul by USA would be a good showing, and that's still not out of the question.

But yes, I think it can be startling to acknowledge that Team USA is probably the 3rd best in the world right now, behind Russia and Italy. (Arguably China, but I'm frankly never going to put my money on China as a team regardless of their potential for individual medalists)

 

[MaryClare]

And to clarify I don't think USA's qualifying round was quite as dismal as some are making it out to be. Or at least, I don't think the situation is any more dismal than what we all should have been expecting after seeing World Trials play out.

There is some underperformance (Leanne on vault, mainly) but several instance of overperformance (everything by Dulcy, and even Blakely qualifying on bars) -- if you'd asked me before this meet, I'd say a 3 medal haul by USA would be a win, and that's still not out of the question.

But yes I think it can be startling for some that as a team I think USA only has the 3rd best group right now, behind Russia and Italy. (Arguably China, but I'm frankly never going to put my money on China as a team regardless of their potential for individual medalists)

None of the Americans qualified higher than 6th in EFs. 5th and 9th AA.

That’s bad.

 

[IratePanda]

I dunno. Sacramone is a Marta survivor. When she ruptured her Achilles at 2011 (?) Worlds, didn't Marta scream "I hate you?" The softer approach is understandable, but it might be an overcorrection. Perhaps it will take some time to find a happy medium.

Speaking as a parent, I never want to subject my daughter to the psychological abuse I endured. My mom was batshit about grades. If I got anything lower than an A, I was afraid to go home. Today I have a Ph.D , but I'm neurotic AF. I don't want my kid to be like that.

 

[MaryClare]

This is what a good nationalized program would do. Of course, Americans are too individualistic and they would catch a ton of heat for pulling a "Galieva".

It's funny to me how course correction has lead to an overcorrection in the face of the incompetence and abuse from the past.

This line from Alicia Sacramone in that World Trials documentary they just put out was very telling,
"We're fun loving... We work hard play hard, make it a good time, help teach some life lessons and maybe win some medals in the process."

^ The above is a perfectly acceptable M.O. for 98% of USAG-member gyms and J.O. programs, but absolutely not what I want to hear as the goals of the highest level elite coordination group. Yikes.

edit to add - right, Leanne was actually like 22nd in vault as someone pointed out, not actually Galievaed. But my other sentiments stand.

GB is exactly the same post White Report and it is absolutely killing elite level sport.

 

[RedBirdie]

I dunno. Sacramone is a Marta survivor. When she ruptured her Achilles at 2011 (?) Worlds, didn't Marta scream "I hate you?" The softer approach is understandable, but it might be an overcorrection. Perhaps it will take some time to find a happy medium.

Speaking as a parent, I never want to subject my daughter to the psychological abuse I endured. My mom was batshit about grades. If I got anything lower than an A, I was afraid to go home. Today I have a Ph.D , but I'm neurotic AF. I don't want my kid to be like that.

Sacramone, Memmel, and Okino. The damage done to the 3 of them......