Event 2025 European Championships - Event Finals (May 30-31)

[Aeris]

Barbosu also made a smart change to her routine composition by replacing the full twisting pike jump with a triple turn. While both skills are C elements, the new body shape deductions on pike jumps introduced in 2025 would have meant a minimum of 0.3 in deductions for the legs being below horizontal.

I love a nice triple turn, but the smartest non-acro element is the Moerz (pike full to prone position). It's overvalued at C, and not having to worry about a real landing means you get to angle your body in the air and make it easy to hit the required position. The only deduction that can ever really be taken on this element is minor leg separation. I don't want to see everyone doing it, but most people should be if they want to help themselves.

Straight jump with two turns is also something way more people should be doing. You can even roundoff into it, so you're essentially just removing the salto from a typical double twist and getting the same C value while counting a dance skill. The version to prone position doesn't exist in the code yet, I'd like to see if they'd give that a C rating too.

 

[phoenix7]

It is tasteless and crude and has nothing to do with humour IMO

They did it at last year's Euros in Italy too. Is it something they do in their national leagues in these countries, I wonder?

It does seem crass

 

[phoenix7]

Barbosu really cleaned up here. Is she going for Worlds or is that going to interfere with NCAA?

Marosan said they'd worked out an elite schedule and training plans with Stanford for Ana, so not impossible. But I think Ana is being careful not to commit herself so soon.

Her English is excellent, but she must be anticipating an intense start to her studies in Autumn.

 

[Passion]

Barbosu really cleaned up here. Is she going for Worlds or is that going to interfere with NCAA?

They ask her in this interview after the AA Final but she doesn't really have an answer yet.

 

[Denn]

I just checked this out, and 100% agree — Valentina Georgieva should have gotten the bonus, too, and the gold medal. The Women's Technical Committee has NEVER understood Kasamatsu vaults, and it's absolutely pathetic — it's not rocket science.

I went and watched these vaults after seeing some discourse about it, and now I'm even more angry about the result. I already knew the bonus rule would be a problem and this shows exactly why. In no logical world should Karina should have beaten Valentina. They both did "forward" vaults (to describe it exactly, they both did a sideways entry and then turned in the forward direction, which for Karina's Lopez is supposed to be a big deduction) and yet only Karina actually received the bonus. Both of Valentina's vaults were better than Karina's and Valentina also showed more variety (different landing directions and a non-yurchenko vault) and arguably more difficulty too, but the competition result on paper says the opposite.

 

[youwannacranson]

They did it at last year's Euros in Italy too. Is it something they do in their national leagues in these countries, I wonder?

It does seem crass

I was at 2023 Worlds and they were doing this in the WAG AA too. I remember it coming on after Barbosu's bars fall in particular

 

[phoenix7]

I was at 2023 Worlds and they were doing this in the WAG AA too. I remember it coming on after Barbosu's bars fall in particular

Yes, I remember that now too. I think that's the one I was looking for - and that was Antwerp.

Continental European thing, maybe

 

[phoenix7]

I just checked this out, and 100% agree — Valentina Georgieva should have gotten the bonus, too, and the gold medal. The Women's Technical Committee has NEVER understood Kasamatsu vaults, and it's absolutely pathetic — it's not rocket science.

Was she expecting the bonus, do we know? Is there a list of what the WTC counts in each direction?

 

[Puffin]

Was she expecting the bonus, do we know? Is there a list of what the WTC counts in each direction?

I am no judging or COP expert but according to the explanation the BBC commentators gave the bonus is given if you leave the vt table in different directions.

So a Yurchenko and Tsukahara get no bonus as you leave the vt table backwards (yes I know that some Tsuks are a ½ on and others are a 1/4 on but they both count as backwards for bonus) - they both count as saltos backwards

Whereas a Yurchenko and Lopez would get bonus as the Yurchenko leaves the table backwards and the Lopez forwards.

I think what muddied the waters in WAG vt finals was that Schönmaier staggered her hands a bit so her vaults and Georgievas didn't look so different

 

[Matilda23]

Great to see Ana Barbosu as European FX champion. In 2022 Euros she had a beautiful routine that missed the podium.

Would Ana’s success at Euros make the news in Romania?

 

[phoenix7]

Great to see Ana Barbosu as European FX champion. In 2022 Euros she had a beautiful routine that missed the podium.

Would Ana’s success at Euros make the news in Romania?

It's certainly well covered in their online news sources.

 

[Passion]

 

[Sasha]

I love to see the Romanians having fun. Can you imagine anything like this during the Belu & Bitang era???

 

[Aeris]

(yes I know that some Tsuks are a 1/2 on and others are a 1/4 on but they both count as backwards for bonus)

The code needs to start differentiating between Tsuk and Kas; they aren't the same thing and it makes no sense to have a rule of wanting to reward different directions of vault entry, but then pretend the Kas entry isn't predominantly forward. You run forward at the table, turn to sideways onto the table, and then turn to forward in the air. At no point during the entirety of the approach or repulsion is it a backwards vault.

If they want the rule to be "one vault that is completely forward onto the table and one that isn't", then they need to also remove the bonus from Roundoff 1/2-on vaults that only do 1/4 onto the table. That vault is literally less forwards than a Kas, since the Roundoff onto the springboard is a backward takeoff onto the table, whereas with a Kas you're hitting the springboard forward.

 

[onodian]

I just saw Petisco did a Chuso for EF, little pikey but good for her!

 

[irichluck21]

She had a great competition. Love to see a gymnast pull out the difficulty for event finals.