2025 Antalya World Cup

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Well there is it!!!

 

[RedBirdie]

USAG has put up prelims results. Jayla Hang had a very good prelims. qualifying first on vault and beam, third on floor, and 6th on bars. Claire Pease qualified to vault (2nd), bars (3rd), and floor (5th). She finished 9th on beam.

Former US elite Michele Pineda now represents Mexico and she qualified on beam (5th) and floor (4th).

Yang Fanyuwei and Tian Zhuofan of China went 1-2 on bars, while the Japanese ladies Aiko Sugihara and Mana Okamura lead on floor.

2025 Antalya World Cup • USA Gymnastics

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[Caligym]

Any idea of how Jayla’s 53.899 AA would hold up against the rest of the world this year?

 

[MaryClare]

USAG has put up prelims results. Jayla Hang had a very good prelims. qualifying first on vault and beam, third on floor, and 6th on bars. Claire Pease qualified to vault (2nd), bars (3rd), and floor (5th). She finished 9th on beam.

Former US elite Michele Pineda now represents Mexico and she qualified on beam (5th) and floor (4th).

Yang Fanyuwei and Tian Zhuofan of China went 1-2 on bars, while the Japanese ladies Aiko Sugihara and Mana Okamura lead on floor.

2025 Antalya World Cup • USA Gymnastics

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I’m trying to process Claire Pease qualifying 2nd on vault

 

[RedBirdie]

Tells you all you need to know about the quality of competition, eh?

Pease and Hang both did 5.0 and 4.2 vaults (DTY and Lopez, I presume). The only person with higher combined difficulty was Pranati Nayak of India with a 5.2 and 4.2, but her execution is not great. The next higest difficulty was Tjasa Kysselef at 4.6 and 4.2

 

[Puffin]

Any idea of how Jayla’s 53.899 AA would hold up against the rest of the world this year?

Kaliya Nemour scored 54.20 at Gymnix a couple of weeks ago

 

[Rich]

Kaliya Nemour scored 54.20 at Gymnix a couple of weeks ago

That is impressive. I did not think Jayla would be that competitive

 

[Matilda23]

Anyone know where we can view the routines? Even if just from a fan in the stands

 

[RichardL]

I forgot that Hang also competed in Antalya at Junior Worlds...

 

[tempest]

Anyone know where we can view the routines? Even if just from a fan in the stands

here are some

https://www.youtube.com/@cow2076/videos

 

[irichluck21]

I guess it is paying off for the US ladies doing 2 vaults now. I am sure Sacramone is proud.

 

[RedBirdie]

Per reddit, WAG Vault results
1. Jayla Hang USA 13.667
2. Claire Pease USA 13.567
3.Pranati Nayak IND 13.417
4. Oksana Chusovitina UZB 13.367
5. Tjasa Kysselef SLO 13.367
6. Greta Mayer HUN 13.167
7. Julia Weissenhofer LIE 13.000
8. Bengisu Yildiz TUR 12.367

 

[MaryClare]

I guess it is paying off for the US ladies doing 2 vaults now. I am sure Sacramone is proud.

I think they are also going to find out that it’s very, very difficult to develop top UB workers if you’re making them keep a serviceable Podkopaeva that gets them nowhere near a world final.

I get what Sacramone is trying to do and I agree that vaulting is in decline. But I’m just not sure what the end result of this is?

Yes, in the recent past there have been US gymnasts who absolutely should have had a 2nd vault. But that was largely a symptom of the whole “Amanar race” where it became almost a requirement. You had talented vaulters with excellent DTYs who instead of training a 2nd vault, were shedding blood, sweat and tears to get an Amanar.

IMO, it would be a better approach to identifying gymnasts, junior and senior, for a vault development program. Like why are you insisting that one of the best UB coaches in the world, break an athlete who is not built for vault when you know that come 2028, UB is likely where your weakness is going to be

 

[RedBirdie]

If fairness, he's going to break her whether she does a second vault or not.

 

[Hatsumomo]

I don't know why the USA is so reticent to develop UB workers when that has been, maybe not necessarily their downfall, but at their loss more than once.

 

[RedBirdie]

I think there simply aren't great UB coaches in the US. The fantastic UB workers are natural bar swingers.

Kelli Hill could give you a great foundation, but she never taught in-bars or el-grips or much combo work. Liukin can teach certain gymnasts those, but he'll break them in the process and they lack endurance. Graba got lucky with Suni Lee.

And I saw posted elsewhere that some years back the national team staff openly told coaches they hated how the development program structured compulsory bars and would much rather aspiring elites skip the DP entirely and just go right working the skills they need to test elite. So I think there's just so much working against developing world and Olympic medal worthy US bars workers. The insanely naturally talented who luck into a coach who isn't a total idiot shine, and the rest struggle through bars.

 

[ArnoldRimmer]

I think they are also going to find out that it’s very, very difficult to develop top UB workers if you’re making them keep a serviceable Podkopaeva that gets them nowhere near a world final.

I get what Sacramone is trying to do and I agree that vaulting is in decline. But I’m just not sure what the end result of this is?

Yes, in the recent past there have been US gymnasts who absolutely should have had a 2nd vault. But that was largely a symptom of the whole “Amanar race” where it became almost a requirement. You had talented vaulters with excellent DTYs who instead of training a 2nd vault, were shedding blood, sweat and tears to get an Amanar.

IMO, it would be a better approach to identifying gymnasts, junior and senior, for a vault development program. Like why are you insisting that one of the best UB coaches in the world, break an athlete who is not built for vault when you know that come 2028, UB is likely where your weakness is going to be

I agree, but wouldn't even say the US has had particular 2nd vault issues in the past. For a good chunk of the last 15 years or so, there've been multiple gymnasts with 2 legitimate vaults available for teams. They've left potential vault medallists off at times.

Obviously yes it would've been nice if people like Aly and Jordan had a Lopez, but as you point out, that takes up time that could be used elsewhere.

 

[MaryClare]

I think there simply aren't great UB coaches in the US. The fantastic UB workers are natural bar swingers.

Kelli Hill could give you a great foundation, but she never taught in-bars or el-grips or much combo work. Liukin can teach certain gymnasts those, but he'll break them in the process and they lack endurance. Graba got lucky with Suni Lee.

And I saw posted elsewhere that some years back the national team staff openly told coaches they hated how the development program structured compulsory bars and would much rather aspiring elites skip the DP entirely and just go right working the skills they need to test elite. So I think there's just so much working against developing world and Olympic medal worthy US bars workers. The insanely naturally talented who luck into a coach who isn't a total idiot shine, and the rest struggle through bars.

I disagree that the US doesn’t have good bars coaches. There’s Liukin, Marchenko, Landi, Graba, Glazounov. Plus a few whom may or may not be suspended. Qi Han, Li Yuejiu, Maggie Haney. I don’t think Graba got lucky with Suni. Yes she has huge natural ability on bars, but without a coach with the technical abilities to get the best out of her, she could never have become one of the worlds best on the event

 

[RedBirdie]

Bars results
1. Yang Fanyuwei CHN (no Jaeger full)
2. Claire Pease USA 14.234
3. Tian Zhuofan CHN 13.867
4. Lucija Hribar SLO 12.934
5. Nazli Savranbasi TUR 12.900
6. Jayla Hang USA 12.734 (fall)
7. Emese Ada Szij HUN 12.167
8. Paulina Guerra MEX 11.367

 

[Rich]

Well claire did amazing on bars.