The new men's vault final rule is a step backwards

So many guys are already doing two vaults with the same entry. At least one is double flipping and one is not. That helps.

But the rules allows guys to do, say, a Roundoff + front double full (like the Biles vault) and a front double full. So stupid.

Also, you can’t do a Yurchenko double pike and a Roundoff half-on vault anymore. WTF?!??!?! Someone like Eddie Penev would be screwed over.

I feel like there’s a simple solution: there’s a simple way to deal this: just make two bonuses;

  • do front/Kas entry and a back/Tsuk entry, and you get 0.2 bonus
  • do a multi-twisting vault and a multi-flipping vault, you get 0.2 bonus.

I was trying to think of guys who would have gotten both bonuses. I can only think of two so far:

Yang Wei: Yurchenko double pike + Kas-double full
Yeo Hong-Chul: Tsuk double back + Randi)

Damn., yeah that rule is totally illogical.

I agree with your first bullet about front vs. back entries, though this is now giving me pause to second guess my conception of Kas vs. Tsuk though, because I guess I just consider a Kas to set you up for a back salto that incidentally starts off forward-facing, but that’s definitely not an absolute truth and I can understand the opposite point of view… But also I am bitter than no one bothered to notice that my roundoff and back twisting directions were opposite, so I was stuck trying to eke out as much twisting as I could from a proper tsuk while my teammates had an easier time doing Kasamatsus.

I do feel like a gymnast who hypothetically met the requirement by doing a Kas full (two twists) and a Tsuk double full would confuse most laypersons into thinking they had just witnessed the same vault twice. So I think my ultimate preference would be a handspring (or roundoff 1/2 on) vault as category 1, and anything else as category 2.

I think this should be a requirement for all stages of competition. When every other event has a bunch of composition groups encouraging diverse skills, I don’t see why vault can’t ask for 2 – plus it’s the only event with this weird opt-in policy for pursuing finals.

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LOL, pretty much nobody is going to attempt a Kas full and a Tsuk double full, and if they do, I’m happy to give them 0.2 bonus for being able to block (or twist) two ways! Sean Golden is the only guy I can think of who did both at various points!

But just to avoid the possibility, it could just say Tsuk with twist + Kas with twist does not earn bonus.

BTW, sorry that your coaches didn’t figure that out for you. :frowning:

BTW, your categories wouldn’t work.
A) Your categories would allow someone to do a Randi and a Kas double full — basically the same vault with a different block position.
B) Yang Wei would not get the first bonus. And he should.

No sir, your categories wouldn’t work. Mine are perfect. Just kidding.

Both of our proposals have the same caveat, inverted.
All that said I think you’re right about Yang Wei – I’m not sure which vaults of his your referring to but if it’s a Kas and Tsuk double back set, those are distinct enough to deserve this credit/bonus we’re thinking of…

Now i’m spiraling: what I said about the challenges for a layperson distinguishing a Kas from a FHS entry though seems to hold true even for a Codeofpoints.com dedicated website.

This video they posted of an exemplary “Yeo 2” looks suspiciously like a Kas 2/1 (Lopez?) to me… what do you think: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dme9zeqaIo&ab_channel=CodeofPoints

For comparison, Li Xiaopeng’s entry is very cleanly and obviously a front handspring: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIsBUy24eJc&ab_channel=2Flips3Twists

Yep, that’s why the rules really shouldn’t allow a front entry and a Kas entry. Guys can do the same vault twice with different levels of crookendness.