Russia-Ukraine War: Effects on Gymn World

It must be a very difficult for Russian gymnasts to speak out freely even if they wanted to given that the Rodionenkos are very close with the Putin regime - wasn’t their son-in-law (Fetisov?) Putin’s Minister of Sport at one time and credited with them being given the head coaching position.

Although Khorkina is no surprise as she was in politics post-retirement and sat in the Russian parliament for the Putin-supporting “United Russia” Party

According to news reports I’ve seen even some of the Russian soldiers fighting in Ukraine don’t know why they are there and others were expecting to be welcomed such is the propaganda

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I think this is the greatest hope with regard to Ukraine actually winning this thing. That and the amazing courage and heroism of Zelensky. He reminds me of Churchill – but even more so. Everytime there has been a regime change in the former Soviet Union states the leaders are out of there asap before whoever it was that replaced them can either kill or imprison them. But Zelensky stood there and said to Putin “you will be looking at our faces, not our backs.” Its just a true profile in superhuman courage and heroism.

As far as Russian gymnasts not being free to speak out – clearly.

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Russians on TikTok have spoken about celebrities silenced after speaking out - tv shows off the air, social media gone. They may be in jail. Speaking out is a hard thing to do especially when you see all the arrests of protesters.

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Yes, Slava Fetisov is very buddy buddy with Putin. These days he is “just” a duma member but still very influential.

I will also echo was rlayt said: anyone who speaks out does so at incredible personal risk. Every person you see out protesting against this war in Russia is risking their life. Russians who are outside of Russia must weigh the risks of speaking out against the harm that may come to their families who remain in Russia.

I was surprised at the size and number of protests inside Russia. It tells me Putin is weaker than we thought.

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can a mod move my post?

https://gymnaverse.com/t/figure-skating-thread-olympic-spoilers-discussion-starting-at-post-16/1517/434?u=doug1233

didn’t realise this thread was here

Also on the Russia/invasion of Ukraine issue, as things stand the athletes are going to struggle to get visas for many international competitions. The UK hosts worlds this year. The Home Secretary has just revoked the visas of the Belarus basketball team because of the Ukraine situation, so I can’t imagine any Russian athletes would be allowed in even if they were actually able to get here. A lot can change between now and October of course, but that’s the position at the moment.

I wonder if we need a Russia Things thread…?

This shit is ugly. And is getting more and more ugly…

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One of the commentators on Eurosport said during the Cross Country skiing yesterday that the Ukrainian Biathlon team has gone home to fight

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The IOC has recommended that International Sports Federations and sport event organizers not allow Russian or Belarussian participation in any international competition.

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I wonder how Putin will spin that. The Russian people appear to be unable to use some social media and are being fed misinformation by the bucket.

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Oh crap. Given that it’s an olympic qualifier, that will be awful for the Russian gymnasts to miss it, although they should have no problem in 2023, if things improve. But still.
Anonymous are successfully hacking Russian state media, so hopefully some things are getting through to the citizens there.

Our state media has not been hacked, it was a hoax. However just like everyone else on the internet, we use VPNs when we want to see content not available in our location!

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Ah I guess I fell for it then!

Perhaps they managed to hack some websites? I don’t know, but nothing high profile and certainly not any television channels, which I should think are near impossible to hack compared with websites.

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Are VPNs widely used by the general population to seek Western news?

I either misread or was misled, lol.

I’d say VPNs are fairly widely used by everyone under 40. The main purpose usually to watch sporting events or tv series not available here. Foreign affairs are never as popular and there is of course the language barrier but the BBC World News has always been popular.

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I’m not sure if there’s any mechanism to qualify a full team for 2023 worlds if a country didn’t do 2022? There wouldn’t have been last quad anyway. It may mean missing the Olympics as a team.

Also afaik Russia would need to be at Euros this year to qualify for worlds, so it occurs to me now that the UK visa issue doesn’t necessarily arise. Germany probably aren’t going to be up for letting them in either.

I’m sorry, but there simply has to be real consequences for this. Calling them “ROC” just hasn’t worked.

I would feel terrible for the innocent Russian athletes but we simply cannot go on like this.

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I totally agree and apparently so does much of the international community. As reported in the NY Times – the adage of how sports should be free of politics and athletes should not be penalized for the bad behavior of their governments is out the window at least for now. And I think it is not so much because of Putin but because of the incredible heroism and bravery of Zelensky which inspired his entire country to stand up and fight when it seemed impossible they would last even a day and forced the Western world to take much stronger measures than we had originally intended.

Here is the article in the Times

and for those who are stuck behind the pay wall:

Russia Faces Global Sports Crackdown After Invasion of Ukraine

Feb. 28, 2022, 10:12 a.m. ETFeb. 28, 2022

Feb. 28, 2022

Alan Blinder and Tariq Panja

An article of faith in global sports — that athletes should not be punished for the actions of their governments — crumbled on Monday, when executives worldwide moved to banish Russians from competitions and deepen the country’s isolation for its invasion of Ukraine.

The International Olympic Committee recommended that athletes from Russia and Belarus, which has allowed Russian troops to use its territory, be barred from events. FIFA, soccer’s international governing body, effectively blocked Russia from qualifying for this year’s men’s World Cup. And the International Ice Hockey Federation said Russian and Belarusian teams would be forbidden at its competitions, including this year’s world championships, and the National Hockey League suspended its business dealings in Russia.

Although there were scattered loopholes and uncertainties, the penalties amounted to a bracing rebuke of Moscow and Minsk by a sports world that has long labored furiously, if sometimes unconvincingly, to depict competition as separate from politics.

The International Paralympic Committee is expected to decide on Wednesday whether to allow Russian and Belarusian athletes to compete in the Paralympic Games, which are scheduled to open in Beijing on Friday.

But the day’s events left little doubt that Russia and Belarus, which had already drawn scrutiny for doping violations and oppression, would become further separated from the wider athletic world.

“This will continue to be a contest of two different visions of what sport is and who is allowed to participate in and control sport,” said Andrés Martinez, a research scholar at Arizona State University’s Global Sport Institute. “I think this is a bit of a reset, though, in that it does set an important precedent and a standard that sporting federations cannot continue to act with impunity and just let the highest bidder dictate what happens in sport, oblivious to other considerations, including the behavior of those highest bidders.”

The most potentially far-reaching consequence on Monday came from the I.O.C., which cited “the integrity of global sports competitions” and “the safety of all the participants” when it recommended that Russian and Belarusian athletes be blocked from competitions.

“While athletes from Russia and Belarus would be able to continue to participate in sports events, many athletes from Ukraine are prevented from doing so because of the attack on their country,” the I.O.C. said in a statement, which noted that it issued its recommendation “with a heavy heart.”

It will fall to event organizers and the federations that administer individual sports to decide how, or if, to adopt the I.O.C.’s recommendation, which the committee suggested might not be enforced “on short notice for organizational or legal reasons.”

That qualifier appeared to be a nod to the imminence of the Paralympic Games, which have been expected to draw more than 70 athletes from Russia and about a dozen from Belarus.

The International Paralympic Committee did not immediately respond to a request for comment, nor did Belarusian officials or the Russian Paralympic Committee. But Stanislav Pozdnyakov, the president of the Russian Olympic Committee, said in a statement that he and other Russian officials “strongly” objected to the I.O.C. recommendation, which he said contradicted “the spirit of the Olympic movement, which should unite and not divide.”

The I.O.C.’s recommendation came hours before FIFA announced that it had suspended Russia and its teams from all competitions and ejected the country from qualifying for the 2022 World Cup only weeks before it was to play for one of Europe’s final places in this year’s tournament.

FIFA, which had come under pressure for its initial hesitance to bar Russia from competition, and its European counterpart, UEFA, said the ban on Russia would be in place “until further notice.”

“Football is fully united here and in full solidarity with all the people affected in Ukraine,” FIFA said in a statement. Ukraine’s team, which is set to play Scotland in its own World Cup playoff in March, will remain in the competition.

UEFA, which has decided to move this year’s Champions League final to St.-Denis, France, from St. Petersburg, Russia, then went a step further in breaking its deep ties to Russia: It announced that it had ended a sponsorship agreement with the Russian energy giant Gazprom. The deal was worth a reported $50 million a year to European soccer.

It was unclear whether FIFA’s decision to bar Russia would face a court challenge. Russia and some its athletes have successfully fought exclusion from other events, including the Olympic Games, by getting punishments watered down through appeals to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

Any efforts to keep Russian athletes out of other competitions could also spark legal battles. Pozdnyakov, the Russian Olympic Committee chairman, said Russian officials intended to “consistently defend the rights and interests of Russian athletes and provide all necessary assistance to our national sports federations to challenge discriminatory decisions.”

Some penalties could be harder to fight than others.

Hockey executives in the Czech Republic, Finland and Sweden said Monday that Russia would not be allowed to participate in this year’s Euro Hockey Tour, and executives signaled that they were looking to replace Russia permanently.

That decision turned out to be just one blow to Russia, which won the silver medal in men’s hockey in Beijing. By day’s end, the hockey federation announced an indefinite ban on Russian and Belarusian squads and said it would not stage its junior world championship in Russia starting later this year.

Soon after, the N.H.L. said it had paused its ties with business partners in Russia and halted its online presence in the Russian language. It also said it would not consider Russia as a prospective host “for any future competitions involving the N.H.L.”

Federations around the world were also grappling with how to apply the I.O.C.’s recommendation in individual sports and competitions in which athletes compete more for themselves than for their nations.

In cross-country skiing, Natalia Nepryaeva of Russia holds the top spot in the World Cup standings but could lose that ranking if she cannot participate in several coming races.

Tennis has the complexity of seven ruling organizations. On the same day the I.O.C. recommended the ban, Daniil Medvedev, a Russian, took over the top sport in the men’s world rankings.

The ATP Tour heralded the achievement on its website with a picture of Medvedev next to the Russian flag. However, Medvedev moved to Monaco years ago and has campaigned for peace on his social media channels.

The ATP Tour made no immediate announcement about whether it would follow the I.O.C. recommendation, nor did the WTA, which manages the women’s professional tour and has three players from Russia and Belarus in the top 20, including Victoria Azarenka, who is on the organization’s board.

On Monday, Elina Svitolina, a top player from Ukraine and the top seed this week in a tournament in Mexico, announced on Twitter that she will not play her first-round match against Anastasia Potapova of Russia unless the governing bodies of tennis follow the I.O.C.’s guidance.

Although Monday’s maneuvers against Russia were particularly forceful, the country has clashed with sports executives in recent years over its reliance on a state-run doping operation. Still, Russian athletes and teams had faced the most marginal of consequences. At the Beijing Olympics, which ended Feb. 20, Russian athletes appeared as members of the “Russian Olympic Committee,” and did not formally compete under the Russian tricolor flag or hear the Russian national anthem at medal ceremonies.

And in December 2020, Olympic officials barred the Belarusian president, Alexander Lukashenko, from I.O.C. events, including the Beijing Games. Olympic officials complained at the time that Belarusian athletes were “not appropriately protected” from what they described as “political discrimination.”

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